| ▲ | wvenable 8 hours ago |
| It's a catch-22. Without google crawling your site, you don't get any new traffic. But with google crawling your site, you also might not get any traffic. AI summarization has already causes issues for sites like rtings where people are no longer visiting the site but still making use of the data presented there. Leading to rtings not getting enough traffic to continue to post their data. It is an existential crisis for websites and when they go away it'll be an existential crisis for AI. |
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| ▲ | kxrm 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Without google crawling your site, you don't get any new traffic. But with google crawling your site, you also might not get any traffic. I may be strange and unusual, but I just have never cared about my Google ranking. I know this makes me out of the ordinary among site owners but I have been humming along fine. This certainly will disrupt traffic but for some of my sites I honestly think this is a good thing. I want you to want to be there, not just stumble upon my site because you happen to hit the right search keyword. Plus if it gets bad, this does create a new opportunity for others with cross linking and search. |
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| ▲ | prinny_ 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Only issue is what happens when the company that owns the search and has a dominant share of the browser market flags your site with the good old "warning: potential risk ahead" when people try to reach it directly? And buries the "I know the risk let me through" deep in the browser settings. Advocate for different browsers? Google is pushing web attestation in one form or the other. I wish the future would look bleak, because right now it's looking blue, red, yellow and green and it's worse. | | |
| ▲ | kxrm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Only issue is what happens when the company that owns the search and has a dominant share of the browser market flags your site with the good old "warning: potential risk ahead" when people try to reach it directly? My target market is more technical then that so likely, nothing would change for me. Again, I recognize the impact of Google's dominance for some, but if the "attestation" isn't helpful and only hinders using services that people have come to rely on, there will be push back. I also have been advocating for years for everyone in my circle to avoid using Chrome. A homogenized browser market is a risk, and Chrome is the new IE. I hope you are also a part of the effort to advocate for browser diversity. |
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| ▲ | carlosjobim 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I have been humming along fine. Do you depend on site visitors for making a living? That's what this is about. | | |
| ▲ | kxrm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes! However most of my users were established through my network, not search. I know that sites relying on ad income will and are being hurt tremendously by this effort on Google's part. However, if you are in the startup space and make money on services you offer, search should be one of several strategies you are deploying for user growth. |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Leading to rtings not getting enough traffic to continue to post their data. And here I thought denying ad revenue to websites was the morally superior way to navigate the web... |
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| ▲ | monooso 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's some catch, that catch-22. |
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| ▲ | elevation 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Without google crawling your site, you don't get any new traffic What about the stories of marketing managers who learned months after the fact that their credit card had expired and their google ad spend had ceased with no affect on traffic? Google isn't always an effective promotional vehicle. |
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| ▲ | maccard 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What stories are they? | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sounds like a pretty ineffective manager: wasn’t buying the correct ad placement in the first place, used a personal card to sign up for an ostensibly corporate service, didn’t keep track of expiration dates for the card, and was also ignoring email notifications from Google about the expired card. Let me know if I’m missing any other reasons why this manager should be fired instantly. | | |
| ▲ | elictronic 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most large corporations have company credit cards. The user is likely referring to his card being the company card. | | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nah. Pretty sure he was using a personal card - corporate finance dept would likely better track where each card is being used and their expiration dates to avoid this happening. Also this better tracks with the rest of his sloppy behavior. |
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| ▲ | vntok 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well in addition to what you wrote, the marketing manager ALSO wasn't tracking any ad-related marketing performance indicator (CTR, CR, etc.) in any measurable way for very long periods of time... or they would have caught it almost immediately ("wow ad spend, CTR and CR have all suddenly gone down to 0/0% and have been staying there for days on all our campaigns! What's up with that?"). |
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