| ▲ | nozzlegear 4 hours ago |
| > Kill the capitalist in your head. Who referenced capitalism? And do anarchists, socialists, communists, et al., never question the usefulness of a thing either? |
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| ▲ | asdff 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The difference is those groups promote culture for culture's sake. Capitalism does not. Culture is only promoted if there is profit to be made off promoting it. As such what culture exists is severely inorganic and dependent on market forces rather than being some proxy of the actual ideaspace of the community. |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You've structured this statement in a way that makes it unfalsifiable: if culture is organic and thriving, it's because capitalism hasn't touched it; yet if capitalism has touched it, then it must be inorganic and inauthentic. You're doing a "No True Scotsman" on culture as a whole, defining real culture as something that excludes any evidence capitalism could've produced it. There are plenty of counterexamples for culture within capitalist society (forgetting for a moment that it's bizarre to conclude that capitalist culture doesn't count as culture if market forces touch it): hobbyist communities, open-source software, Wikipedia, fan fiction, folk traditions, religious practice, academic subcultures, internet memes, the entire DIY/punk schtick, local theater, oral traditions. All of those are orthogonal to market forces. | |
| ▲ | mghackerlady 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | well, to be pedantic, stalinist tendencies of socialism (and leninist inspired movements as a whole), tend to prioritise culture as a way to communicate the ideals of the party. Capitalism, in its most pure form, puts profit before anything else in any form of work | | |
| ▲ | asdff 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It isn't as heavy handed as people might have assumed. I can't find the exact quote now but there is one from a filmmaker saying they had more creative freedom under the USSR than the US. In the USSR there were some things you couldn't talk about directly but subtext was often fine. In the US there was that going on as well, but you also had the need for the film to make money and merchandize other downstream products and businesses that lead to a loss of absolute creative control in favor of supporting these efforts. | | |
| ▲ | mghackerlady 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I believe it was George Lucas talking about some soviet friends | | |
| ▲ | asdff 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks. I was even going to mention how George made some decisions in star wars arguably to further toy sales. |
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| ▲ | Matl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean it's not hard to understand where the author is coming from. It seems like these days even a hobby project has to meet some kind of 'is there a market for it' threshold of justifying its existence. So your parent may've taken the 'is it useful' comments to mean 'if not, why even exist' but I got the sense they're more from people who are considering an install, even if just in a VM. |
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| ▲ | Computer0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Bro you're not killing him... |
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