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bambax 3 hours ago

I'm unfamiliar with the US legal system but do they really need a jury and a trial to determine whether the claims are barred by the statute of limitations? Couldn't this be decided by a judge before trial?

compiler-guy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Part of the Statute of Limitations isn't just on when he filed the claim, but when he found out or should have found out, by reasonable diligence that he had a claim at all.

So the question before the jury has a significant component of "Should he have found out by this time?" Which is a question of fact, and facts are typically decided by juries, in the US at least.

The two parties can agree together to let a judge decide facts like this, but generally, if one or the other party wants it to go to a jury, it does.

I'm guessing part of Musk's strategy was to have it go to the jury, which are often seen as easier to manipulate than judges, especially when a case is weak. Or perhaps his team already knew this particular judge would be inclined to rule against him, so did the next best thing.

CSMastermind 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Elon argued that even though the events in question took place sometime between 2017 and 2020 OpenAI intentionally hid the information from him until 2022-2023 which is why he wasn't able to file the lawsuit until 2024.

That's what the jury found against - they said he was reasonably informed enough to have brought the suit earlier and thus the 3 year clock should start ticking in 2020 not 2023.

mrhottakes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the US, judges make determinations of law, but juries (in a jury trial at least) must evaluate the evidence to make findings of fact. So the jury would need to make a finding as to when the statute of limitations started ticking based on the evidence, and the judge then makes the legal determination that the statutory period has lapsed.

cwmma 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the American system juries figure out questions of fact and judges figure out questions of law.

In this case I guess the question was 'when did the incident actually happen' with Elon arguing it was later then Altman.

ai-x an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's like saying can't the Judge decide who the killer was when he literally saw the video of shooting.

dnnddidiej 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Or like if a piece of evidence was obtained lawfully?

I can understand why people and me included might think they can decide this before trial.

prepend 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In this case the judge determined that it did require a trial and refused to dismiss based on statute of limitations.