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| ▲ | big_toast 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Musk leaves the board in 2018 I think. And something happens in DX-754 where they've pivoted to AI in SpaceX around then too. I had a lot of trouble telling what "AI" meant in late 2017 at Tesla. --- Sept 1, 2017 DX-669: Funding paused confirmation. Elon is still on the board for a while. DX-707 specifies the board as of Sept 26, 2017, and even suggests adding Shivon, Jared, Sam Teller. Jan 31, 2018 DX-748: Elon is still discussing things with Greg. Elon: "The only paths I can think of are a major expansion of OpenAI and a major expansion of Tesla AI. Perhaps both simultaneously" Feb 3, 2018 DX-754: Sam Teller says Elon "just suggested we use SpaceX email for AI stuff so switching over to that" Feb 4, 2018 DX-755: Sam Teller and Shivon Zilis discuss disabling Openai Feb 20, 2018 DX-770: Elon officially leaves board (first document I see specifying) |
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| ▲ | knicholes 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Getting to Mars, it would seem. | | |
| ▲ | nicolas_17 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree we'd all be better off if SpaceX figured out how to send Musk to Mars ASAP. | |
| ▲ | hdndjsbbs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Does anyone seriously still believe this? I thought as a society we had realized Musk is simply BSing whatever he feels like until it becomes untenable. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Does anyone seriously still believe this? I do. It’s not his singular focus. But he continues to personally invest himself in pushing the boundaries of human spacefaring capability. That goal seems more meaningful to him that it does to e.g. Bezos, who seems to have a rocket company to look cool. | | |
| ▲ | thejazzman 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s in his own biography (the older one) that spacex would pursue mars without distraction. That he went to great lengths to ensure it wouldn’t be used for military, tourism, etc. You can’t believe musk without simultaneously believing he’s a liar. It’s in HIS fucking book. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > It’s in his own biography (the older one) that spacex would pursue mars without distraction. That he went to great lengths to ensure it wouldn’t be used for military, tourism, etc. I said I believe he wants to go to Mars and will put in the work to make that happen. I didn't say everything he's said is true. Musk absolutely lies. But his actions speak pretty consistently to Mars being a real goal. |
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| ▲ | tehjoker 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is a joint project of U.S. government military planners and an ostensible private individual. If Elon disappeared, rest assured, the contracts and development would still happen. They want mega constellations for always-on drone guidance and for "golden dome" which would allow for the laser-based shoot-down of long range exo-atmospheric missiles. You need reusable spacecraft to make that tenable. This is not about Mars, don't buy the marketing. At best for civilians, this is about making broadband widely available such that America can dominate internet connectivity going forward and increase spying further. As an example, examine a map of Starlink connectivity, you will notice that Russia and Gaza are excluded. The Artemis missions will eventually enable the placement of communications equipment on the moon, making anti-satellite weapons less effective at disrupting critical communications. Fortress America will be invincible forever, so so they desire. The macroeconomics are not working out for them though even though the technological edge is still working for them on that level. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > They want mega constellations for always-on drone guidance and for "golden dome" which would allow for the laser-based shoot-down of long range exo-atmospheric missiles This is a conspiracy theory folks who learned about In-Q-Tel have been stringing together since Covid. It's not true. > examine a map of Starlink connectivity, you will notice that Russia and Gaza are excluded Russia wasn't excluded until recently. That was a problem! > The Artemis missions will eventually enable the placement of communications equipment on the moon, making anti-satellite weapons less effective at disrupting critical communications Wat. |
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| ▲ | awesome_dude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I know there's a risk when Musk's name comes up that everyone takes "all against" or "all for" approach - very polarising figure. But I see a lot of that announcement, and the others someone else pointed to as his "aspirational, but ultimately never going to happen" goals - whether he believes the claims are achievable, or not, he says these things to energise people to working/paying for him to try It costs him little to nothing to say, and other people's time, effort, and capital to try (and succeed/fail) Tesla is falling to pieces now, and SpaceX is getting loaded up with completely unrelated projects (xAI) in order to try and make it look saleable (I guess) - it's very difficult to see the Mars announcement as anything but hype. | | |
| ▲ | usefulcat 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > It costs him little to nothing to say, That all depends on how much he values his credibility, I think.. But to be fair, for someone as good at self promotion as he is, I can believe that the value of the hype could be greater than the cost in credibility. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > difficult to see the Mars announcement as anything but hype Oh yeah, the announcement is hype. But there is actual work underneath it making real progress in science and engineering that moves us closer to Mars. Some of that, moreover, is work that has limited appeal outside a Martian context. | |
| ▲ | vardump 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Tesla is falling to pieces now Did I miss something? | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Year over year sales are declining. Stratospheric stock price is propped up by promise of selling humanoid robots, a technology (and market) which are unproven. I would not invest. |
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| ▲ | 4dfg 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What a load of crap. He pushes this narrative purely for valuation purposes. He has a legion of people propping up his stock by manipulating them into believing he is a wizard. | |
| ▲ | 48terry 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > pushing the boundaries of human spacefaring capability I guess polluting space with shitty satellites and causing environmental disasters with failed and questionably-permitted rocket launches is, technically, pushing on boundaries of human spacefaring capability. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > guess polluting space with shitty satellites and causing environmental disasters with failed and questionably-permitted rocket launches is, technically, pushing on boundaries of human spacefaring capability My cat is both cute and fluffy as well as a menace. |
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| ▲ | dogscatstrees 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, you mean like: Solar Roof:
https://electrek.co/2026/05/14/tesla-solar-roof-promise-vs-r... Tesla Full Self Driving:
https://electrek.co/2026/05/18/musk-unsupervised-fsd-widespr... Hyperloop / Boring Company mass-transit vision Mars settlement timelines X as an everything app | | |
| ▲ | hsuduebc2 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean, most of his wealth is coming from his overhyping skill, you can also tell marketing. Or lying. I consider him a visionary in a sense of innovation but he is insecure and immoral one. Needles to say his investors made money on his over promises. |
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| ▲ | DoesntMatter22 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To build more cool stuff. Would be great if he did neurolink for cancer | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because money is just a proxy for power, and the goal is not to have cash, it is to have power. Perhaps via being able to make decisions at various businesses, or being able to travel to a different planet, or being able to influence other people, etc. Could also partly be a curiosity to see what one is capable of, or maybe wanting to be known for helming an organization that accomplishes xyz. | |
| ▲ | lovich 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because he is an addict and one of his addictions is money | | |
| ▲ | testplzignore 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe he trying to collect every waifu from every gacha game. That would get expensive in a hurry. |
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| ▲ | robocat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion? Makes me think of a inverted Zeno's paradox. Why do you need an extra dollar? I can answer for myself: New Zealand plans to tax the shit out of anyone that has more[A]. You need a fukton more than median wealth to be able to protect yourself against your own government. The type of person that enjoys chasing money doesn't stop. [A] via capital gains taxes and wealth taxes. Also one needs an excessive amount more to handle progressive taxation and means testing. | | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > I can answer for myself: New Zealand plans to tax the shit out of anyone that has more[A]. New Zeeland is an outlier in that it doesn't have capital gains tax. Its not the end of the world to have captial gains tax. | | | |
| ▲ | rolph 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion" because thats another 250 billion less for a competitor to use against you. | |
| ▲ | awesome_dude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why did you turn that into a whine about a tax that exists in 31 of 38 OECD economies? Go to Australia where you pay a stamp duty for buying (to pay for infra) and a CGT for selling Edit: Changed stamp tax to stamp duty | |
| ▲ | danaris an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, no, this is bullshit. You can't just apply One Simple Rule like this ("more money is always better" / "more money never makes a difference"). There is, objectively, an amount of money above which another dollar, or another billion, will never make a meaningful difference in your overall lifestyle[0]. The amount isn't a single bright line, but like with so many things, there's an area below it where extra money unquestionably improves your quality of life, and an area above it where it unquestionably doesn't. [0] unless "your lifestyle" involves manipulating major governments and controlling the way people the world over think, which I wouldn't consider a legitimate part of "lifestyle" | |
| ▲ | jamiek88 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion? Because billionaires are mentally unwell. |
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