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deadeye 3 hours ago

Or is it posible this administration just took a win-win-win position?

1 - US oil and gas companies make money as oil proces rise. The US is the largest producer in the world.

2 - China loses it's major source of oil and gas.

3 - Iran gets neutralized. It may not look like it now, but it will probably end up that way.

adjejmxbdjdn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

1 - A win for the shareholders of U.S. oil companies, close to half of which aren’t even Americans, but not a win for Americans even on a purely financial basis given that they are paying more for gas and food. 2 - China hasn’t lost its source of gas and oil. They have more reserves than the rest of the world put together and can outlast every other country, and they’re still getting shipments. 3 - The exact opposite of reality. Iran’s potential to acquire nuclear weapons was one of their biggest dangers for the rest of the world. But with this the U.S. has given Iran a new actual power that had been conjectured but never realized. Control over 20% of the world’s fuel supply and large percentages of other critical raw materials.

ifwinterco 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People can try to come up with 4D chess explanations for the Trump admin's actions here all they want, but the truth is this is 0D chess.

Just a massive strategic blunder, one for the history books.

Any minor damage to China is tiny compared to the strategic loss America has undergone here

everdrive 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even if this analysis were accurate, I would feel much better if the administration had intentionally gone this route rather than accidentally blundering into it.

elzbardico an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t permanently remove 20% of the worlds oil, 30% of the fertilizer while having a incredibly financialized economy and somehow get on the other side of it healthy and rich.

For one, this would be the end of the Petrodollar and with it the ability to have huge trade deficits siphoning more than 1 trillion in goods and services from the rest of the world in exchange for fancy green paper.

kakacik 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

3 - Iran moderates are neutralized, so hardcore fanatics from IRGC take over. Loss for literally everybody.

Otherwise, 1) and 2) are true, Europe is bleeding through the nose with buying US oil and depending on its current antagonist, not smart long term situation that we need to move away asap.

Somebody in US government is making literal billions on shorts and various trade deals just before major announcements keep happening, those are not that hard to see in markets. Current top public bet on this is trumps family and his close coworkers, and their families. If you ever want a witch hunt on traitors and collaborators against US citizens and society, smart up, forget Wall street and just follow those money very directly to culprits.

_DeadFred_ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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throw310822 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> who were against their daughters/sisters/mothers being arrested/raped/murdered when they don't properly wear hats

Have a look at some pics from Tehran and let me know if you notice something:

https://apnews.com/photo-gallery/tehran-iran-daily-life-cafe...

elzbardico an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is basically American propaganda.

1234letshaveatw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That “moderate” narrative is nuts. Moderate Khamenei lol

elzbardico an hour ago | parent [-]

That’s what the propaganda you’ve been fed since a child tells you.

The real crazy savages are not it Tehran but in TelAviv and Washington.

The Iranians are just defending themselves from monsters who still think civilized people nukes and napalms civilian population, finance Latin American and African dictatorships and torture, etc.

ipaddr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The peaceful daughters mother's and sisters protest you think happened resulting in thousands of people killed were really men with machine guns backed by the CIA and Israel trying to give Trump justification for invading.

_DeadFred_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That is not what the videos that came out showed. Of course, now Iran has shudown the internet so information can not get in out.

Spin harder.

The truth is after the start of this war Iran has been importing Shia militias members from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan to be their enforcers because the Islamic regime does not have legitimacy with the Iranian populace.

throw310822 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd be curious to know what people think would happen if the US decided they want their government gone. The most obvious strategy is to start internet and social media campaigns first (of which the US have complete control), and second step is to fund and arm "rebels" who are willing to conquer the state from inside and hand it over to the US on a silver plate. Complete deniability, no official war declaration, no domestic debate. And if the targeted country blocks the internet or shoots the "rebels", then the entire Western press can denounce that government as an illiberal, ferocious entity that censors information and kills its own citizens.

Helloworldboy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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