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onlyrealcuzzo 15 hours ago

> Really impressive how they've made this jump from being called the vscode fork with no moat just a couple of months ago.

Impressive, yes. But they still don't have a moat...

infecto 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am not sure we should dismiss what they have today. Nobody has yet to come close with a full package ide that works well for coding. Is that not a moat? It is easy for my to in my head discount it, thinking that I could build something myself but between autocomplete and their workflow for agent use, it feels like they have some tangible moat emerging.

virgilp 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If we ignore cost (which is kinda hard to ignore), I feel Codex kinda' does it for me. Sure it's not really an editor but I find I don't need that _that much_ and it's easy to launch an external editor (they actually have the feature).

The ironic thing is that half a year ago, after trying factory.ai I thought chat-first interface was a stupid idea that will never work.

chillfox an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you tried Zed?

I haven’t tried Cursor, so don’t know how they compare, but I like Zed a lot.

Anyway, would love to see a comparison from someone who has used a recent version of each.

turastory an hour ago | parent [-]

A few years ago I tried Zed when it was still pretty early, but eventually settled on Cursor. I gave Zed another shot a few days ago because Cursor’s worktree support still feels pretty weak.

In my setup I use multiple agents like Claude Code and Codex, and Zed’s ACP support makes it pretty nice to manage them all as “threads” in one place. Worktree switching also feels much smoother.

Overall the experience was pretty good, but the way the agent and editor are integrated still feels a bit lacking, and tab completion is the big one for me. Cursor’s tab completion is still the best I’ve used.

So now I’m using both. For work that needs a lot of focus and careful iteration, I use Cursor. For things that are easy to split into worktrees and hand off to agents, I use Zed with Claude/Codex.

alach11 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't a large user base and the data collected from those users a moat of sorts?

onlyrealcuzzo 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A moat is when you have something other's can't easily get.

Every MAG 7 / FAANG company already has more users and more data...

That's not a moat.

That's traction.

wilg 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That's not X.

That's Y.

uxcolumbo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Been a bit out of the loop.

What's wrong with using very short sentences like 'That's not X. That's Y.'?

arcanemachiner an hour ago | parent [-]

Commonly used phrase by LLMs. Gives people slop vibes these days.

DonHopkins 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I fear the day that large parts of perfectly valid English language and punctuation are off limits for humans to use because LLMs use them too (having learned them from humans), and somebody will always whine and post low effort "slop" comments that are much more annoying and less useful than the slop itself, or even incorrectly whine about human written text that happens to match your hyper-sensitive slop detector.

Plus you are always running the risk of being rude and insulting when incorrectly labeling text actually written by humans as slop — making a jackass of yourself — and opening yourself up to being trolled by humans purposefully inserting em-dashes and catch phrases just to trigger you. That's not clever. That's gullible.

How much cognitive and physical effort and time do you put into trying to figure out if everything you read is slop, then complaining about it? If that's your job or calling in life, you could be easily replaced with AI. Find something more creative to do with your time.

If you really object to low effort slop, and not just relish it as an opportunity to whine, then how about instead of posting low effort whines about slop, you put in the actual effort to do something about it, and rewrite the slop in a way that won't trigger your slop detector, then post that instead, to train AI not to write slop.

Is your problem that it's slop, or that it's AI generated? Because your whining about low effort AI generated slop without contributing to the conversation or addressing the point of the comment you're replying to is just low effort human generated slop.

Please don't post slop while complaining about slop.

AussieWog93 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly the data itself is probably worth heaps even in the company itself collapses. Early attention engineering when humans were still in the loop!!!

NitpickLawyer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Early attention engineering when humans were still in the loop

Exactly. Cursor was the first product used by tons of devs on real codebases. Just the signal "acceptance rate" is huge and can't be easily captured w/ synthetic data.

kkukshtel 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And its still just a vscode fork

icemelt8 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Cursor 3 is a complete rewrite, its no longer a fork.