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Hanoi’s humble beer glass and the memory of a nation(sundaylongread.com)
96 points by NaOH a day ago | 27 comments
l5870uoo9y 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Bia hơi (pronounced “bee-ah hoy” and meaning “fresh beer”) is brewed without preservatives or added carbonation.

Tank beer (tankova) from Urquell is same but it last a week or two in the tank to my knowledge and not just 24 hours as Bia hơi. It is properly the best pilsner in the world.

neves an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great article, I visited Vietnam reading it. Now I want to buy a cóc

ripe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great read about a niche topic!

I know almost nothing about Vietnam, but this article felt like I had visited.

hodder 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Getting cranked on Bia Hoi in Hanoi with some locals is just an incredible cultural experience.

maplant 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These glasses look absolutely stunning

lostlogin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was sure that these were similar to the famous Luminarc and the French connection seemed relevant. But having trawled their site… they aren’t.

https://www.luminarc.com/collections/glassware/

qux_ca 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They remind me of Duralex Picardie glasses

lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you - that’s what I had in mind.

Not quite the same but a lot closer.

There was a good thread about the brand here a while back, which your comment helped me find.

https://www.duralex.com/en https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46015379

shit_game 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That first photo looks so much like a watercolor that it's uncanny. Glass is such a cool material.

christkv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Talking about weird cultural things. Pretty much every Spanish household has at least some of their drinking glasses made up of the glasses used by Nocilla (Spanish chocolate spread brand). https://dechocolate.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/nocilla.j...

mytailorisrich 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

It used to be like that in France with Maille glasses (mustard and gherkins).

brcmthrowaway 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hmm, does everyone in Vietnam have a drinking problem?

0x457 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When I "lived" in Vietnam, they had more bars than coffeshop in the US, but they also had double amount of coffee shops. In Saigon I was never not in a short walking distance from a bar.

bluecatinthesun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd say somewhat. It is also tied to masculinity in a way, so it is a bigger problem for men.

sampullman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

bia hơi is pretty light

dctoedt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FTA: the defeat of American troops and fall of Saigon in 1975

This is a bit misleading: Yes, strategically the U.S. was defeated in 1975, but U.S. troops had pulled out in 1973, having essentially never been beaten on the battlefield — not that it matters, of course.

Muromec an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A gesture of good will as they say. They never wanted to get to redacted in three days anyway.

Spooky23 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s really splitting hairs. The Republic of Vietnam was a dead man walking, but it was a United States puppet state, and they finally collapsed in 1975.

The cope stuff of “never beaten in the battlefield” is just bullshit. The point of fighting a war is to win. The military bureaucrats tried to apply kill counts as a proxy for victory.

The army pulled out but everything didn’t just end. There was a variety of covert and semi-covert American presence remaining, both in terms of CIA people and “sheep dipped” contractors.

dctoedt an hour ago | parent [-]

> That’s really splitting hairs.

As software people are keenly aware, accuracy in writing is important.

> The Republic of Vietnam was a dead man walking, but it was a United States puppet state, and they finally collapsed in 1975.

I don't disagree. In hindsight, the U.S.'s political strategy was disastrous. American decisionmakers — like all of us — had to make their best judgments based on education and experience (and the often-malign influence of groupthink). Some factors were especially salient:

• As WWII ended, the "Atlanticists" in the State Department supported France's insistence on retaining their Southeast Asian colonies (IIRC, because the U.S. wanted a strong anticommunist France to help stand up to Stalin and the Red Army after Germany's surrender). Also IIRC, FDR was inclined to support Ho Chi Minh's independence movement, but he was gravely ill by then.

• The American political class was very much aware of the lessons of Munich in 1938; of Stalin's conquest of Eastern Europe in 1945; and of North Korea's invasion of South Korea in 1950. It wasn't unreasonable for them to fear the spread of totalitarian communism.

• The governing Democratic Party was acutely aware of the political impact of McCarthyism in the 1950s, including being incessantly attacked by the GOP for having "lost" China in 1949 (as if China was ours to lose).

• Douglas MacArthur's advice to President Kennedy — not to put troops on the ground in Asia — didn't carry the day. [0]

Those interested in this debacle should read David Halberstam's magisterial book The Best and the Brightest. [1]

[0] https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/a-new-take-on-general-macart...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_and_the_Brightest

neves an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you ever seen the videos of American fleeing Saigon?

dctoedt an hour ago | parent [-]

> Have you ever seen the videos of American fleeing Saigon?

Yes. My above comment stands. (I was a serving Navy officer at the time. Let's just say, it didn't escape our attention.)

ErroneousBosh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> brewed it fresh daily

This is not how beer works.

stryan 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's a new batch each day, but it's not drank in the same day it's brewed I suspect. Probably a week or two later, going off some quick research into "running ales", a similar English style of brewing.

ThePowerOfFuet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I found this really interesting. Thanks for submitting it!

readthenotes1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"But in some corners of Hanoi, government officials still have exclusive access to special shops selling goods at subsidized rates. "

Surely in a communist government access would be equal to all? Why would there be elites?

Muromec an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Believe it or not, but there were different quality grades of commieblocks. You can guess who got the ones from the first, more quality batch.

Mainan_Tagonist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's because it's not real communism.