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darkwater 2 hours ago

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users.

See this paragraph:

> There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is the vibe. The accuser feels that a thing must have been easy because it was made with AI. They post that feeling as if it were a finding. The finding never has to be checked, because nobody else checks it either. The accusation travels because it feels right, not because it is right. Big difference.

> The accusation that someone produced unverified output is itself being produced as unverified output

HarHarVeryFunny an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's a strangely/poorly written article. I've read it a couple of times and am still not 100% clear what the author is trying to say.

As best I can tell, the author is saying that it's unrealistic to expect that a vibecoded photoshop would YET exist since just because you can use AI to help doesn't make the task much easier or quicker. If this is the right take, then I guess he's really talking about AI-assisted development (i.e. AI coding used as a tool by a human developer), rather than "vibe coding" in the sense of "here's some specs - write this for me". With AI as a coding tool, then all the hard work is still left to the human - coding it up once you've specced and designed it was never the hard part.

With Karpathy-style vibe coding - just tell the AI what you want it to build - it's either going to succeed fast or fail fast, so "where is the vibecoded Photoshop" is then a reasonable question, albeit a rhetorical one, reflecting that this type of "gimme X" vibecoding isn't able to produce something of that nature, so of course if doesn't exist.

MattRix an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah it has a confusing clickbait title that gives the wrong impression of what the article is about. His point is that the bottleneck to making a complex app like photoshop is architectural rather than just writing basic code… and he argues the LLMs don’t magically make the architectural part easier.

alex_smart an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the first time in my life I have ever felt the need of an LLM to understand an article. Even after understanding the overall gist of the article (thanks ChatGPT!), I still can't make head or tail of many sentences and find many questionable choices made in the way the article was structured.

e.g.

>And the accusers never want to address that, because addressing it means admitting the accusation doesn't hold up.

This is the first sentence that introduces the "accuse" word in the article without establishing what the accusation is, who the accusers are or why should the accuser be worried about their claim being spectacularly successful (zero counterexamples). The last part is still not clear to me at all.

Then the article makes a bunch of unestablished claims to the point of becoming straight up ad hominem. No, the senior developers of the world are not asking this question because they don't understand that the requirement gathering, architecting and decision making (level 2 and 3 activities in the nomenclature of the article) - but precisely because of it. Senior developers world over are being pressured into unreasonable expectations around delivery speed by CEOs and other management types. The entire point of "Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?" is to hopefully be able to communicate to these people that the bottleneck hasn't moved, so to expect 10x increase in delivery is entirely unreasonable.

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post.

That's the tricky part of blog titles, you have to assume 90% of the future commentators doesn't actually read the body nor conclusion, so if your title is the reverse of the argument you're trying to make, or something "fun" like that, you'll have 90% of the commentators misunderstanding what the basics of the article even is about.

alex_smart an hour ago | parent [-]

It doesn't help that the article is actually quite poorly written.

InsideOutSanta an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is the author saying that people are accusing "handmade" apps of being vibecoded?

I read the post, but I find it incoherent.

Retr0id an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Frankly I do not understand what argument is being made

darkwi11ow an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is what usually happens with LLM assisted writing. Looking at other posts in author blog, they are as well likely written with help and guidance of LLM bot, and also bring feeling of incoherence when read. I'd say this style predates LLM by millenia so it is not really invented by bots. To me it resembles the most the older religious texts and especially oral preaching. Some of attractors in current frontier models are likely coming from religious areas of knowledge, since this apocalyptic incoherence is found in so many texts today.

alex_smart an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That probably explains why I needed an LLM to make sense of it at all.

kenjackson 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly, would’ve been much better to just let the LLM write the whole thing.

swiftcoder an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Frankly I do not understand what argument is being made

The rough argument being made is that a bunch of folks go around lobbing vibe coding accusations at LLM users, because those folks are afraid that LLMs are taking their coding jobs. And that this anger is misdirected, since coding wasn't actually the moat in software development, and LLMs aren't making much of a dent in software architecture or product design.

stingraycharles an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are making vibe accusations.

_aavaa_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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