If Photoshop can be vibe coded in a couple of weeks, that's superintelligence.

I think of "tokens" as units of intelligence spent on a problem.

Producing software like Photoshop, Linux, or Excel literally cost billions of tokens (human intelligence back then, and now both human and artificial intelligence combined). A lot of deep intellectual problems were solved along the way, and the token cost of solving them accumulated. The true cost of Photoshop today should be measured in billions, maybe trillions of tokens.

AI can definitely generate some tokens, and it has accelerated everything involving intelligence. But it still can't produce 100 billion tokens worth of intelligence in a week. When that day comes, that's superintelligence. We'll go to Mars, we'll make fusion work. That's the singularity.

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cermicelli 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just to be clear, I spent Billions of tokens last month, dick'ing around with AI, do I think it can do my job, sure if I was as checked out as I am feeling being mandated to only use AI for work...

Trust me this version of me can't write code better than an LLM. I think even the LLMs from 2 years ago could do as much.

Only thing we have solved with LLMs is how to generate code, as in literally converting what you type in as text into something somewhat working. Fixing the details is impossible for AI.

Today and beyond.

	▲	knightabu an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Same mistakes Indian IT Service firms already did, trusting third-party AI Service providers across every division and department in companies. Now Open AI and Anthropic are launching own Service firm/wing for maximizing ROI. Direct Competition. Huge Loss for Indian IT Service Firms. They paid AI providers to Train own automated competition end to end so much so that they are learnt the gaps and how-to own the market by corrections, private IP Source code access and embedded expertise extraction (stopping short of calling it literal corporate espionage, they got all the know-how and especially for modernizing legacy tech and integrations). They are untrustworthy especially where IP is involved. Indian and other IT Firms who did not use private self-hosted AI for important things nor monitored the usage and did not train their employees to think what ( or how much) of our institutional knowledge goes out to third-party are already facing trouble.

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eithed 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

+ can you even define what is Photoshop? What capabilities does Photoshop have? Ignoring all the edge cases that it supports, what Photoshop allows you to do?

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Tepix an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I expect a coding model being able to clone apps like Photoshop in the next two years. But creating an app like that from scratch without a paragon (which is what Adobe did with Photoshop) is a lot harder.

	▲	eooekwe an hour ago \| parent [-]
		That actually doesn’t need to happen. A proxy for it would be we see a huge wave of lay offs.

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spwa4 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No it's not. The point is that if building software is indeed way cheaper now, then someone should be able to guide AI to build Photoshop, Linux, or Excel while providing direction, but having the billions of tokens of human intelligence now provided by AI.

This is not happening.

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sinaatalay 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This sounds to me like saying: "if poverty has decreased, everyone should be able to buy a 40m yacht."

We can now simply buy an artificial form of intelligence to solve intellectual problems. That doesn't mean we can buy our way into solving every problem in a week.

Building Photoshop or Excel still has a huge intellectual cost. We can use AI to help us get there, but it won't be free, it's just getting marginally cheaper.

	▲	spwa4 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		No, it sounds like saying "if poverty has decreased, I would expect the number of 40m yachts to double". I would expect Photoshop to get 5 new competitors. I get that my grandma would still not be able to do it. That, too, we're not seeing that at all.