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dacops 4 hours ago

Only veterans?

I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.)

Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?

compounding_it an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The research on ptsd began with US veterans afaik. It’s probably the group that is most studied for it and also receives trials.

The US also spends a large amount of money on each veteran. If they can find a cure for trauma they would benefit hugely from it. The side effect of this is that others would benefit as well.

KolibriFly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I read it less as "this only helps veterans" and more as "veterans are the group this particular research and funding path is centered on"

dlcarrier 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's who the trials are done on. US veterans have their own health care system, so that may have played a role in why they were targeted for the research.

virgildotcodes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's political posturing, makes it more likely to get bipartisan support. Female rape victims are not as unimpeachable as the (superficially) hallowed veteran in American society.

vasco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vets kill themselves a lot so I guess it's easier to propose crazier stuff because the alternative is very bad.

trio8453 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Veterans also make it easier to get wider political support for legalizing the treatment.

AndrewKemendo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Though notably never anything really crazy like “let’s stop doing war”

JCTheDenthog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, that does sound pretty crazy. Specific wars are often ill-advised or largely pointless, but "stop doing war" presupposes that all other countries in the world will also "stop doing war", otherwise what you're suggesting is just unilateral surrender under the guise of stopping war.

AndrewKemendo an hour ago | parent [-]

Hey if that’s the world you wanna live in then continue to do what you’re doing

virgil_disgr4ce an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Way back in something like 2002, I was in college. One day at my then-girlfriend’s apartment east of campus, she got a phone call. An old friend of hers was in town, so she told him to come over. I don’t know his name, but let’s call him J., which is a randomly selected letter.

J. was a traveling Ibogaine ... healer? He went from city to city, summoned by the loved ones of advanced heroin addicts, to attempt one last Hail Mary shot at recovery.

These were situations of absolute desperation, and I can’t overstate the seriousness with which he took his adopted occupation. He described to us in detail his process.

First, he interviewed the person requesting help, seeing what else they had tried and trying to suss out if Ibogaine would be worth the risk. He turned away most callers.

Those who he accepted would be dropped off at his van, inside which was a mobile, DIY ICU of sorts: a bed, food, water and emergency medical supplies. He would administer the ibogaine (I don’t know what form this took), and then, in his words, the patient would undergo a 2 to 3-day continuous hallucination.

During this time, in J.’s observations, the patient was almost always ‘visited’ by dead relatives, who typically admonished the patient for what had become of them, laying into them with real talk about the state of their life.

J. said half of the patients came out of this experience fundamentally changed, and effectively cured of their addiction to heroin. I don’t know if he had any data (anecdotal or otherwise) on recidivism, but the implication was that this was likely to be permanent.

But, he said, the other half went insane, which is why he spent a great deal of effort screening families and informing them of the risks.

I don’t know how much, if any, of this is true. I don’t know what ‘insane’ means, or meant. But I remember vividly how seriously this guy took it, without ever coming off as some kind of self-satisfied guru or medicine man, believing himself to be a god, or anything like that. He never accepted money. He lived somewhat roughly. I wonder whatever happened to that guy.

AndrewKemendo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People like to use us war veterans to wash their agendas through

We’re one step below “think of the children”