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unsnap_biceps 20 hours ago

Did any other manufacturers build their own version? It seems like the right long term idea but the lack of other players seems to indicate there's some underlying issue that isn't solved yet.

jeffybefffy519 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Its not the right long term solution tho, tiny roof tiles as solar panels have so many problems:

- Magnitude higher number of interconnections which impacts reliability and efficiency

- Uniform roof tile style

- Requires entire roof rebuild which is always more expensive than retrofit of panels on top

- Complex installation resulting in less installers available overall for the market

- Crossing of trades between roofing & electrical

A slightly better solution would have been to make the big traditional solar panels your actual roof panels but really retrofitting them on top of panels solves most of those issues above.

riffraff 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are a few companies, I remember Invisible Solar which produces modules which look like traditional clay tiles.

The market pitch is different tho, they are aimed at providing less effective solar for places where you have a hard need to keep the old look, old churches, monumental buildings and such.

yread 15 hours ago | parent [-]

I came across https://colorsolar.eu/ They can put basically any print on the solar panel

shellfishgene 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even just searching in Germany there are at least 4 companies making different designs. I guess they must be selling quite well. Most make non solar tiles of the same size and design for shaded parts of the roof.

ZeroGravitas 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a few competitors.

The market shrank because standard panels and their mounting techniques got more aesthetically pleasing and cheaper.

killjoywashere 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GAF did. There are two issues: 1) too expensive 2) not modular. I like that I can separate my solar decision from my roof decision. Panels make that possible.

para_parolu 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did consider but there are 2 issues. 1. Efficiency. Not all roof parts can be exposed to sun. You overpay 2. You need to time it with roof change

ikr678 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Home insurance also (ie replacement cost after damaging weather event).

queenkjuul 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't help but think that this essentially ruled it out in much of the country -- i get the impression Tesla doesn't tend to consider Midwest markets in their initial engineering

torginus 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean in general it could be a right-ish idea. I myself have noticed when buying solar panels after replacing shingles that basically the per sqm cost of solar panels is like 2x of shingles (of the not super expensive kind). It could be easily more economical to use a modern version of this to replace your roof.

On the other hand, Tesla's solar shingles are tiny compared to panels, more in the shape of actual shingle strips, means tons of connectors, wiring losses, dangerous shorts (these things carry 10s of amps) etc. and probably a nightmare to troubleshoot.

I would not get these for any reason other than aesthetics.

treis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think it really adds up. It's an inconvenient install location and roofs are replaced every 10-20ish years. It makes sense from an efficiency standpoint but the capital costs outweigh that.

IMHO a pergola or carport is going to be better. You lose solar efficiency but gain the benefit of something that provides shade. Especially as solar panels have become an economical roofing option if you don't care about perfect waterproofing.

cyberax 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem is the cost. Tiles are pretty small, and you need to wire them together. This means a lot of small-gauge wires going all through your roof.

Multiple tiles also need to be connected in series to get reasonable efficiency, so you get plenty of failure points where one bad connection can cause a significant part of your solar roof to become useless. And you won't be able to easily fix it.

You can obviously fix all these issues, but it makes tiles too expensive.

ageitgey 15 hours ago | parent [-]

I looked into it seriously at one point.

Essentially, you are adding another zero to the cost to have hidden solar. A 20k solar install becomes a 200k+ solar roof install.

Even if the final result is great, the economics shrink the possible customer base. Basic solar has gotten so cheap that people aren't worrying if the investment increases the value of the house itself. But very few people are willing to pay 10x for a thing that will never pay itself back in energy or home value. It's like putting a pool in your house - a few buyers will want it, but a lot will run from it because they don't know what to do with it.

So as a result, the target market ends up being super rich dudes in gated communities - the same kind of people buying custom 100k hifi systems and home cinema rooms. It becomes an upsell for people with unlimited budgets.

It's just not a mass market product when the competition is 10x cheaper and dropping daily.