By and large I agree, but it doesn’t need to be either/or.

Many of the most popular games in the past decade are procedurally generated and have nothing “intentionally” placed (apart from tuning/tweaking the balance of the seeding algorithms).

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swiftcoder 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> have nothing “intentionally” placed (apart from tuning/tweaking the balance of the seeding algorithms).

I think you underestimate the intentionality that goes into developing procedural generation. Something like Dwarf Fortress isn't "place objects randomly" - it is layers upon layers of carefully crafted systems that build upon each other to produce specific patterns of outcome

	▲	robot_jesus 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		By calling it out in my comment, I was trying to not underestimate it. I guess what I'm saying is: Couldn't a world model with targeted training and thoughtfully tuned system prompts be directionally similar to the layered systems to produce specific patterns of outcome?

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mccoyb 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right, and I wondered how these world models might be use in a careful way (just as agents can be used carefully to accelerate work).

Are video game developers using these systems in their workflows? Would love to learn more!

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danielbln 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Which game would that be apart from Minecraft?

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robot_jesus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No Man's Sky, Terraria, Dead Cells, to name a few.

	▲	debugnik 31 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Dead Cells just arranges a few pre-designed rooms together for each stage, doesn't it?

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fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dwarf fortress, no man's sky, elite dangerous, ...

The combination of "many", "most popular", and "nothing" is overstating it by a wide margin but for example the majority of the vegetation in games as far back as oblivion was procedurally placed.