Meta: this was submitted with the article’s title “The CTF scene is dead” which I found very easy to understand. It has just been updated to use the subtitle’s first sentence, “Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format”. I find that much harder to grasp, rather like a garden-path sentence. My immediate thoughts were that “Frontier” was a company name, and that there was some file format named CTF. If you don’t know about Capture The Flag contests, the change doesn’t help. If you do, I think the change makes it worse.

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IanCal an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If it helps I understand the second much better and feels less clickbaity and includes more info. I do agree with the points you made about the confusion although I find frontier a term used in this area a lot, “frontier AI models have” would probably resolve that.

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Jenk 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If the title simply said "AI is out-performing humans at CTF" then none of this confusion exists. Nothing is "broken," we don't need to be superfluous with "frontier," and the point is still there.

	▲	IanCal 33 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		But the article is arguing it is broken. That’s the point. You can disagree but that’s very much that the author is writing about, not a curiosity, and that it’s these top models that are not custom security models.

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jofzar an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Imo frontier is too niche and specific, if you know what a frontier model means then it's fine, but if you don't then it's negative/detrimental to the title.

"new" does the same thing and is probably just a better descriptor then frontier

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jack_pp an hour ago | parent | next [-]

if you are on HN and have no idea what "frontier model" would mean maybe it's time you found out.

	▲	hbbio 27 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I also misread the updated title. "Frontier models break the open CTF format" is good "Frontier AI..." means wtf is Frontier AI. Because of course it exists (just googled it): https://frontierai.company/

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rockskon an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

But then you're not acting as a billboard promoting AI. Isn't that partly the point?

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jsoaoxhd 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Why do people always hijack threads to discuss titles? Most articles have terrible titles. Just downvote it and move on.