| ▲ | Orthrus-Qwen3: up to 7.8×tokens/forward on Qwen3, identical output distribution(github.com) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 85 points by FranckDernoncou 11 hours ago | 14 comments | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bertili 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Does this translate into a similar reduction in compute? What's the catch? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | xiphias2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The most interesting part of this idea for me is how it wasn't tried / implemented before, as it makes sense. I haven't read the paper but of course DTree tricks work here as well | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | FranckDernoncou 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.12825 ; Code+models: https://github.com/chiennv2000/orthrus ; Disclosure: co-author. Idea: Inject a trainable diffusion attention module into each layer of a frozen AR Transformer. Both heads share one KV cache. Diffusion head projects K=32 tokens in parallel; AR head verifies in a second pass and accepts the longest matching prefix. Output distribution is provably identical to the base model. Results: - Up to 7.8x TPF, ~6x wall-clock on MATH-500. - 16% of params trained, <1B tokens, 24h on 8xH200. - vs. diffusion LMs (Dream, Fast-dLLM-v2, SDAR, Mercury, Gemini Diffusion): they modify base weights and lose accuracy (Fast-dLLM-v2: -11 pts on MATH-500). Orthrus freezes the backbone; accuracy matches Qwen3-8B exactly. - vs. Speculative Decoding (EAGLE-3, DFlash): no external drafter, no separate cache, zero TTFT penalty (no drafter to init/sync). KV overhead is O(1) (~4.5 MiB flat). Acceptance length on MATH-500: 11.7 vs. 7.9 (DFlash) vs. 3.5 (EAGLE-3). - Single-step denoising beats multi-step (6.35 vs. 3.53 TPF). KL distillation beats CE on acceptance rate. Limitations: strictly bounded by the frozen base model (inherits its biases, hallucinations, knowledge gaps); Qwen3-only evaluation; greedy + rejection sampling only. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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