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soco 6 hours ago

I get the latitude, longitude, and they added time. But what was the fourth dimension? Or third rather, because the post assumption is that time was the fourth added.

deweller 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Altitude is the third dimension, but I presume you knew that.

"Geography is three dimensional" doesn't correctly communicate the time dimension.

ySteeK 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even with altitude, you still need time. The Earth moves around the Sun, the Sun around the galactic center, all at hundreds of km/s. Without a timestamp, lat/long/alt just tells you where something was, not where it is. Time was never optional.

marginalia_nu 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can model geography as a 2D heightmap to a pretty good approximation tbh.

dibujaron 5 hours ago | parent [-]

a heightmap is three-dimensional, where the third dimension is usually represented with color or contour lines.

marginalia_nu 4 hours ago | parent [-]

A mathematically ideal sheet of paper in a 3d-dimensional space can be addressed with both 2D coordinates, within the reference frame of the paper, and 3D coordinates, within the 3D space, but given that the paper has a location in space, 2D coordinates are sufficient to specify a point in 3D space.

You can do the same with geography. It's why generally only specify geographical coordinates with latitude and longitude, altitude is a given from those two, since you're as unlikely to be hovering in the air as you are to be immersed in bedrock.

soco 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hmm I thought that, but we don't really live in a 3D world (or use the altitude parameter in a very meaningful way in life) so I wondered whether there's something else I was missing.

wenc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you lived in a high place (Denver), you will find it different from a flat lowland (Chicago).

Also in Rio, how high you live can be a marker depending on which part of town you are. Favelas are on hills, whereas wealthy people in Zona Sul live down the hill closer to the beaches.

shoxidizer an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not that altitude isn't important, it's that it's basically determined by latitude and longitude (and time). Cultures don't exist directly above or below each other, especially not at the national scale being discussed here, and even at the micro scale, differences within a single high rise are presumably minor compared to the same distance laterally.

notachatbot123 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder what makes you belittle the altitude dimension? Buildings have storys, humans can sit and stand, birds can fly, your eyes can move up and down your monitor.

zimpenfish 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also the altitude of a given lat/long can change due to geological processes, climate processes, war, etc.

soco 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The history and geography change very little whether the bird was flying while I was sitting and looking above the monitor. This is what I meant with "meaningful way". Even though a building has storys, life on 12th floor isn't much different from life on second floor. In any case, much less different than life 20 years ago, or ten kilometers away from it. In a sci-fi story or movie we see lives really in 3D, planets wrapped in habitations and such. THERE you can and should count altitude as meaningful, but we're not really there yet.

igoose1 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Visiting Chongqing city felt quite 3D to me

incognito124 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The lat and lon are actually 3d since we live, up to a first approximation, on the surface of a sphere. The correct way to think about it is xyz in a reference frame anchored in the center of the Earth

finghin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If you accepted that nothing exists at the north pole, that’s enough to obtain meaningful 2d coordinates for a location:)

Not workable in practice, though!

JNORLIN 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fourth is altitude. I asked a colleague how he found Vietnam. I was surprised to hear him say it said it was windy, desolate, and cold as hell. It did not match my experience at all. Turns out he had been hanging out at 30 000 feet the whole time!

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