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big85 7 hours ago

Such is the way to radicalize people - convince them with propaganda that their way of life is at risk.

sznio 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

what I find worst is that not all of this seems to be a work of a nation-state actor.

it seems like quite a lot of these are just made by people in 3rd world countries to make ad revenue. making videos for westerners gives you the richest audience, so the best ad revenue. and anger creates engagement, so making polarizing content gives you most reach.

mamonster 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

On Twitter I think most of the "Decadent West" accounts are for ad share. Elon has a whole harem of these accounts to retweet and ask stupid shit like "But has he actually done something illegal"

dijksterhuis 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah they cover this in the article. broadly theres like three types of this activity: nation states; individuals / loose groups with an ideological agenda; people who want ad revenue money.

altcognito 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not what I expected when it was said “we will hang you with the rope you sell us”

flohofwoe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could also be a combination of both, e.g. like Russia's "rent a disposable saboteur" concept, just for misinformation instead of physical sabotage. If it brings in additional ad revenue then that's just the cherry on top.

Imustaskforhelp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It does go both way as for example I have seen westeners make videos about developing nations with huge population say India because it would get them more views. Sure the ad revenue per 1000 views would be less but you would just get more views overall and I have seen that there is still anger/polarizing content generated towards Indians as such.

Which also generates hate towards Indian people online too which is definitely quite a problem, so this issue cuts both ways.

In my opinion, I used to think that there used to be nation-state actors involved within the perception of a country but the thing is that you can just have such perverse incentives and you wouldn't even need to create nation-state actors and they can then stay away blame-free even.

Edit: another thing that I remembered is that it shouldn't be a developing nation or developed nation critique but rather an critique of the system in general as I have seen western people critique about for example UK's downfall and I have seen Indian people critique about for example say India's downfall.

My point is, everyone makes rage inducing content nowadays if one looks for it and the algorithm sometimes even pushes it and so the algorithmic structure has created these perverse incentives and is pushing them on all of us basically

SideburnsOfDoom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Worse, it's often just monetisation without a specific agenda of radicalisation.

> The junk merchant doesn't sell his product to the consumer, he sells the consumer to his product. He does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He degrades and simplifies the client.

― William S. Burroughs

soco 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And it's scary how effective it seems to be, scary that an internet-based "reality" can appear more trustworthy that your real life...

citrin_ru 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems the more people spend online the more they trust online picture whatever it is (for most people it's an algorithmically generated feed) and less pay attention to what they can see in person. Smartphone addition is harmful in so many ways.

ChrisMarshallNY 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a friend that is a "Bernie Bro." Basically, everyone sucks; right, left, etc.

He constantly sends me hate-porn videos; much of it obvious fakes; AI or not (It's been going on far longer than AI tools).

People get hooked on anger. It's -literally- an addiction, and they behave like addicts; seeking out the best "hate dealers," selling the "best" anger-inducing content, and savagely attacking anyone that questions the stuff.

I learned to just ignore most of what he sends me. I've asked him not to send it, and he's ignored it (like an addict).

I have friends that are into the far-right and far-left cesspits, too. It's pretty sobering.

What was it that Bill Burroughs said about heroin?

> "Junk is the ideal product... the ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy."

You could replace "junk" with "hate," and it would apply.

dijksterhuis 6 hours ago | parent [-]

long term recovering addict here and yeah i’ve been trying to work on the “anger” stuff in this last year. you’re right. in the moment it feels good. and it’s very easy to replicate that dopamine hit though getting righteous about stuff — just go on HN and find something about AI (that’s for me anyway - “they’re wrong, must fix the wrong!”).

i guess we are kinda hardwired as humans to react to perceived danger/threats. warm and fuzzy nice feelings seem harder to cultivate and take a lot of persistent effort. so it’s much easier to fall into this anger/hatewatching cycle than the other more compassionate/reasonable/warm and fuzzy side.

dunno, most of this comment is probably pop psych bs, but it feels right for my experience so i dunno.

fwiw, i hope your friends finds their way to something a little more peaceful one day.

ChrisMarshallNY 5 hours ago | parent [-]

45 years, for me.

I see lots of that stuff in the Fellowship. I've seen resentments go on for decades, and metastasize. Since no one is putting a stem in their mouth, it's OK.

I gave up my anger at about the ten-year mark. It was really difficult. Just like giving up the substances.

panflute 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the past I think people were equally wrong when assuming their real life was accurately similar to average for the entire society they lived in and not a regional and perhaps class based bubble. I think there was a short period when amateur media was correcting more misconception than adding to it.

oulipo2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's because Internet and apps has largely cut communities. People would rather stay at home and doomscroll tiktok videos, than meet their neighbors at the library and see that they are actually not scary at all