| ▲ | sph 2 hours ago |
| That’s been my pet theory from day 1, and not because of DDoS. Simply because they are the SSL terminator for most of the internet and can see anything going on in cleartext (and I’ve seen them protecting some shady stuff) I recall a PRISM slide showing the diagram of Google and the public internet, with a big arrow on GFE saying, quote, “SSL added and removed here! :-)” If NSA aren’t installed at Cloudflare, I wonder what they are even doing. |
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| ▲ | tanh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| DDoS is just one of the impetuses for a service provider be MiTM'd |
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| ▲ | linkregister 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's within the realm of possibility that NSA is collecting data with Cloudflare's consent. It seems unlikely that Cloudflare would jeopardize their entire business model over it. Unlike other companies in the leaked NSA slides that participated in PRISM, Cloudflare would face a near-total loss of customers. Their entire value proposition is being an unobtrusive traffic intermediary. |
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| ▲ | fph an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Within the realm of possibility? Let's be honest, if you are a top NSA executive and you couldn't find a way to get your hands on Cloudflare's private keys (bribing or threatening the right person), you are not getting your Christmas bonus. | | |
| ▲ | nly an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It is of course inconceivable that the NSA do not have the private keys for dozens of browser trusted certificate authorities That nonetheless doesn't help them unless they are doing active MITM. In order to do that they'd have to have at least some physical presence at Cloudflare or on the path to Cloudflare. | | |
| ▲ | RealityVoid 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My understanding is that they tapped communication nodes before. I would be surprised if they can't tap the pipes to cloudflare. |
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| ▲ | linkregister 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this information derived from Enemy of the State starring Will Smith and Gene Hackman? It was a great movie and the first DVD I ever bought. |
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| ▲ | sph 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Unlike other companies in the leaked NSA slides that participated in PRISM, Cloudflare would face a near-total loss of customers People didn’t care when they learned about PRISM, why would they care now when it’s a known fact? The sane stance would be to assume Cloudflare is in cahoots with NSA. | | |
| ▲ | linkregister an hour ago | parent [-] | | All the companies involved in PRISM made public statements saying they ceased participation. Google undertook a costly initiative to add encrypted connections over their datacenter circuits. The NSA leaks were a forcing function that led to a massive uptake of encryption. Up until that point it was common for websites to support only HTTP. The NSA leaks dominated news cycles for the entirety of 2013. | | |
| ▲ | lukewarm707 an hour ago | parent [-] | | my llm api traffic terminates tcp at cloudflare in lovely plain text :/ it does give better peering. reduces latency a bit for me. | | |
| ▲ | my-next-account 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I had no idea that this was a thing. How can you figure out where SSL turns into plain text on its route to the destination? |
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| ▲ | breppp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| That slide was about the NSA sitting inside Google data centers without Google's knowledge. That doesn't mean collusion |
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