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ktallett 9 hours ago

Who is still choosing to move to the US for work or study in this climate? The benefits do not outweigh the negatives in any industry.

BeetleB 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The benefits do not outweigh the negatives in any industry.

Pay in some professions is still way better than in their home countries.

Almost all my friends in Canada want to move here. 5 times more Canadians move to the US than Americans move to Canada. That's a damning statistic given that Canada's population is 10% of the US population - so on a per capita basis, it's a ratio of 50x.

ktallett 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Pay is only one of tens of factors. Pay is higher, but outgoings are far higher too so it is relative. Pay also is not the only factor in a good life.

BeetleB 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes but if you come from a poor country, pay outweighs everything else. Without money the kids may get a crappy education (and I mean really crappy where the teachers intentionally don't teach), really crappy healthcare, and no hope of owning property, possibly little hope of owning a car, etc.

Yes compared to developed countries the US may look bad, but most of the world is below the US. Stuff like ICE simply doesn't even register. They've killed only a handful of people.

seanmcdirmid 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of immigrants have green cards and never go for citizenship for various reasons (e.g. their home country doesn't allow dual citizenship).

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birdsongs 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't get it, as an American living happily in Scandinavia, but a lot of my euro tech coworkers idolize the US for the income potential and "freedoms".

They can't ever articulate the freedoms, I think we just have good propaganda, but the desire is certainly there.

zulux 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most Scandinavian countries have better right-to-roam than the US, and better job flexibility because of country-wide healthcare.

But when talking to younger Swedes, they love our freedom of speech. For example. You're not supposed to notice who is doing most of the recent drastic increase in rape, for example.

ktallett 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well most sexual assaults are committed by Swedish people in Sweden.

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undeveloper 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

crackers?

rationalist 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No, a racial slur word is not the correct answer.

pyronik19 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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sameers 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People have long chosen to move to other countries that have much more repressive/restrictive immigration regimes. For example, the Gulf countries, or even Singapore where you have to renew your re-entry permit regularly. As an naturalized citizen myself, and observing how recent immigrants from my home country have reacted to this administration's enforcement steps, what I guess will have to happen is that various populations may shift their perception of the options available to them and how to hedge against risks.

The relative ease of transitioning to a permanent status meant there was a greater incentive to invest in living in the US, both in material and cultural terms. That may now diminish, and immigrants may remit more of their wealth as a hedge. For immigrants of some countries, that has already been something on the mind now since much before even the first Trump administration. Even transitioning to permanent status has become much harder, leave alone obtaining citizenship.

Maybe this administration's stricter (and scarier style of) enforcement may spur that shift now, but it would have been foolish of immigrants from some countries to have not paid attention at all to the changing conditions over the last 10-15 years.

As a citizen, it saddens me that this administration is reducing incentives for new immigrants to invest here - buy properties, start businesses, start relationships etc. Immigrants will still come to make what they can, and then leave with all that experience and some of those assets, when that could have benefited the country. I am of course hardly the only person noticing how the drive to satisfy the nativist vote is leaving us kicking this gift horse in the mouth.

dirtbagskier 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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