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| ▲ | daedrdev 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cuba let 20% of the population leave in 2020-24 so that they would have fewer dissenters in the country who might overthrow the government. Thats a higher rate of population per year than the peak of the great Irish famine | | |
| ▲ | pasquinelli 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | if they don't let people leave to prevent total state collapse then they're starving their own people (by means of the american trade embargo); if they do let people leave, it's to tighten their stranglehold on the country. | | |
| ▲ | kyboren 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Any way you slice it, such an exodus is never the sign of a well-managed country. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where does one go with one of the weakest passports in the world, no assets, no family connections, and probably only sporadically any skills capable of getting a work visa? I need to get on speed dial whatever immigration lawyer those people had. | | |
| ▲ | daedrdev 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I can't find the article but I did read a few years ago most had left to either Mexico or the US. The US had a very favorable program for cubans to enter, work and stay in the country under the Biden admin. The cuban government via National Office of Statistics and Information admitted it fell by at least 10%, but have not done a census in 15 years. Independent estimates range form 18-24%. |
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| ▲ | Manuel_D 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. The fact that the Cuban authorities s decided that further impoverishing Cuba is worth preserving their single-party communist regime demonstrates that it is indeed a bad government. | | |
| ▲ | pasquinelli 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | after a failed invasion to overthrow the cuban government, we spent a lifetime doing covert operations and using our economic dominance to try to starve cuba to death, but the problem is that cuba has resisted. i wonder if that'll still be your tune if america finds itself on the receiving end of that kind of treatment. | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not the Cuban authorities that are impoverishing Cuba, that's just victim blaming. It is American imperialism, at least stand by your crimes. | | |
| ▲ | Manuel_D 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | A boycott is a crime? The US has decided not the trade with Cuba, that's it. Cuba is still free to trade with any other country that's willing to trade with them. | | |
| ▲ | anigbrowl 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 5 minutes before this post you were saying it's an embargo, not a blockade. Now it's a 'boycott'. I don't trust people whose arguments constantly shift to meet the rhetorical needs of the moment. You don't like the Cuban government because they're communists, OK fine. I don't like the American policy of starving people for years on end while making high-minded sermons about the moral imperfections of the Cuban government. | | |
| ▲ | Manuel_D 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I should have been more explicit that I was using boycott as an analogy to an embargo, in contrast to a blockade which unilaterally prevents countries from trading through military force. An embargo is analogous to a boycott: you and your friends decide not to shop at a given store. But people who disagree and still want to shop have the ability to do so. A blockade is like people standing around the store with batons and pepper spray, promising to apprehend anyone who tries to shop at the store. The latter is obviously a much more forceful move. In fact, it's an act of war. | | |
| ▲ | kyboren 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But the US also limits their patronage of other businesses whose owners shop at the store. And because the US is such a rich and great customer, while Cuba is broke and their shop has empty shelves, other business owners generally avoid going to CubaMart. It's not a blockade, and everyone involved is simply exercising their sovereign rights. But it is mildly coercive. Which, obviously, is the whole point. | | |
| ▲ | Manuel_D 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right, but the point is, it's not a blockade. Loads of people are calling it a blockade, and correcting that piece of misinformation is the root of this whole thread. If people want to say that the embargo is coercive and bad, that's fine. |
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| ▲ | kyboren 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | OK, then forget the sermons; how 'bout this? The USA, like all serious countries, seeks to defend and advance its interests. Those interests include the suppression of self-declared enemies like Cuba and Iran, or seeking regime change so they cease being self-declared enemies of the US. The irony of your claim that the US is starving the Cuban people is that in fact, the US could go that far and it would actually end the enmity from Cuba. But they haven't and they won't. It would harm other interests, possibly engender enmity elsewhere, and outside of total war Americans don't play the game that dirty. But if people widely believe that's what the US is doing anyway, and they're "doing the time" without having actually having "done the crime", then considering that actually doing it would end the enmity from Cuba, it starts to look awfully attractive to Just Do It. So claiming that they are, when they actually aren't, only makes it more likely that they will. Anyway, given that both ex-communist states China and Russia have demanded economic reforms from the recalcitrant Cuban regime--which have not been forthcoming--and that food is not embargoed, I think the impoverishment and hunger of the Cuban people can't credibly be blamed on "el bloqueo". Cuba now imports their sugar--from the US of all places! You really think that it's American policy starving Cubans? |
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| ▲ | pasquinelli 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i remember during covid china sent its vaccine to cuba and america captured it and siezed it. that's why cuba developed their own vaccines. another point on the "maybe the cuban communist party isn't so bad" tally. | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not a boycott. It's an embargo. The US is boarding and seizing boats with supplies headed for Cuba. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/world/americas/venezuela-... | | |
| ▲ | Manuel_D 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | These ships were flying false flags, which is a violation of maritime law. It's legal to board and size ships doing this, regardless of embargos. | | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yet when Russia plays games with false flags and oil exports, American is too scared to act. Even with Russia adding Iranian attacks on US bases, the US remains quiet. It’s a strange world. | | | |
| ▲ | pasquinelli 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | one wonders why |
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