| ▲ | alberto467 5 hours ago |
| Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you. |
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| ▲ | chvid 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think the highest ranked technical universities by the end of this decade will be Chinese. Things are accelerating more than I expected. |
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| ▲ | malshe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've my doubts. Chinese researchers are publishing a lot but their papers are getting retracted at even higher rate. Currently, they account for 50% of all retractions across the publishers. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.19197v1 | | |
| ▲ | ggoo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | One of the best ways to get better at something difficult is to do it a lot. | | |
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| ▲ | geodel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And there is no clamor Chinese green card either in politicians in China for students coming from other countries or in people outside coming to China. And if China will be having highest ranking technical universities, it means immigration is not a necessity for technical excellence or ranking as many keep alluding to. | |
| ▲ | mcmcmc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some people would argue they’ve already taken the lead | |
| ▲ | electrondood 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Making America great again, again. |
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| ▲ | schnitzelstoat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, in Europe we simply don't have the money. And with an aging population and stagnant/declining productivity that seems unlikely to improve in the future. If anyone is going to overtake the US, it will be China. |
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| ▲ | thenthenthen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sounds same as China? No money, aging population? Not sure how the Chinese Universities are doing, but the international ones seem struggling (they pay foreign faculty 5–10x more, by law). Not so sure about the next 5 years. Could be messy. | |
| ▲ | graemep 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not investing well in education, health and infrastructure is one of the causes of the decline of Europe, and stagnant productivity. Its not even so much as money not being spent, as money being spent badly. In the UK money is wasted on having too many universities and too many undergraduates. There are badly thought out commercial research subsidies. Schools are driven my metrics in a large scale proof of Goodheart's (Campbell's ?) law. | |
| ▲ | KerrAvon 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why is this even an "if" at this point? China's EV industry has overtaken the US's. They are at worst only slightly behind in AI -- all of the best large open weight LLMs are from Chinese companies, and there are more major Chinese LLMs chasing SOTA than western SOTA LLMs. Literally everything the second Trump administration has done in office has made the Chinese much stronger in every possible way, and the USA much weaker. The USA isn't completely doomed if we can get past the current madness somehow. However, while I don't know what post-Trump America looks like, the USA has permanently ceded political and technical leadership. Trump has sealed the US's fate. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. I am not so sure about this. Many universities in Europe are still really good (even if they market their research achievements much less aggressively than US-American universities). The problem that exists in many European countries is that companies or startups have difficulties commercializing these research achievements. |
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| ▲ | mrhottakes 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's exactly what's happening. |
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| ▲ | chanux 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| FWIW: https://theconversation.com/china-surpasses-us-in-research-s... |
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| ▲ | j_maffe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes but the trajectory is in free fall. With rise of research in China we'll have a more even playing field. |
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| ▲ | shaky-carrousel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The US is the world leader in lists compiled by who? I'm pretty sure China is the world leader in lists compiled by them. |
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| ▲ | rvz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most of Europe is behind because the money there has dried up. (Except for Norway) > You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you. The main issue is the 40TN debt that the US has which will soon matter. But the expected action that they will do is to continue printing and debasing the US dollar until they cannot. |
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| ▲ | ridiculous_leke 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Me crying as a South Asian |
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| ▲ | pavel_lishin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Give us time. |
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| ▲ | danaw 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| americans right now: "hold my beer" |