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mk_stjames 2 hours ago

Everyone seems to love the Windows 7 era but for me, Windows peaked GUI-wise with Windows 2000 and everything since then has felt like a poor 'skin' or misplaced 'theme' on top of something else.

Windows XP's level of 'plug and play' for devices/drivers ushered in the modern OS feel from a usability standpoint, but from a 'get-shit-done' GUI and responsiveness standpoint Win 2000 (and up to Windows Server 2003 by extension) was all I ever wanted/needed.

These may be rose tinted glasses though, and I'd be interested to hear counterpoints.

ch_123 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For me, search integrated into the start menu was a major quality of life improvement. Particularly the ability to hit the Windows key and type the name of an application. Strictly speaking, this was introduced in Vista, but I feel like Windows 7 added a lot of useful polish to the Windows Vista style of UI.

I otherwise agree that the older Win 2k era UI was pretty much an ideal UI. The whole "frutiger aero" look did not age well.

Timwi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Start Menu integrated search would have been real nice if it worked properly, but unfortunately they decided on some kind of “search” algorithm that can't even do a substring match on items in the Start Menu. I have no clue what the thinking there was, but it drives me to not want to use it.

rincebrain an hour ago | parent [-]

I think what drives me mad is its nondeterminism.

If I hit Winkey and type a string, it should not be the case that I get different results from doing that 6 times in a row because it depends whether some background task which changes the results finishes first.

jve an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah... sometimes it doesn't find anything.

Anyways, this has pitched me towards app "Everything"

I occasionally check whether after all these years MS has fixed the search... no, no surprise there.

I get that it depends on indexing service which may be buggy, etc... but I guess it is possible to prioritize/have alternate index for most important stuff like executables. This bugs me the most: there is a program, but I cannot find it. I must know to navigate my way within start menu or program files (for stuff like debugging/perf tools from Microsoft)

And given lots of comments there are on HN about Windows search, why no MS guy here silently sitting has escalated this "sentiment" to the correct ears? Oh please.

dmos62 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use the Win-key+[start typing] search all the time, but I also used it in the XP era. Only then it was a third-party app, with order of magnitude more customization and control. I actually have a worse experience now, but it's just above my tolerance threshold so I don't do anything about it.

nikanj 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Now you can hit the Windows key, type Visual Studio and open a Bing search for Visual Studio, instead of actually opening VS. It’s great - if your KPI is bing DAU

drooopy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've lived through every evolution of Windows from 3.1 up to 11 and Millenium/2000 still remains my favourite and I will always consider it the most 'get-shit-done' UI that Microsoft has ever built. Up until W10 removed the feature, I used to turn off the Themes service so that I could get the classic UI back.

And I also completely agree with your point that everything else since then has felt like a poorly placed theme on top of something else.

irishcoffee 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Wait a sec. Windows 2000 was probably their best operating system. Windows ME was absolutely their worst. They were so different I’m not sure the entire company wasn’t swapped into the set of Severance (tv show) or something of that ilk.

ch_123 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They were developed by completely different teams.

As an aside - as someone who used ME back in the day, I feel like I honestly had more problems with Vista. ME was a downgrade from 98SE for sure, but I don't remember it being the same level of performance and reliability degradation that I saw going from XP to Vista pre-SP2.

lachiflippi 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Vista was fine from the get-go if you had enough (>=4GB) RAM, which OEMs mostly didn't bother shipping.

My ME machine would reliably BSOD when I opened / closed the CD tray.

drooopy 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Vista was an absolute dumpster fire but in no way compares to the awfulness of ME.

xg15 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Out of curiosity, are there any good comparisons in-detail between Windows 2000 and present-day Linux?

I do have the same feeling that Windows 2000 was in many regards the best UI (tied with 7 maybe), but after switching to Linux I'm wondering if this is maybe more rose-colored glasses than I thought.

KDE or XFCE seem to mimic the Windows 2000 design in many ways, but they are still far away from feeling as snappy or as well-thought out than Windows 2000 did. They also paradoxically feel more "gray" than I remember Windows, even though the "grayness" of Windows from that era is sort of famous.

So I'd like to know if this is really just nostalgia/muscle memory or if there are really specific things that KDE does worse than Windows did.

pelagicAustral 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agree, that 2000/Millennium aesthetic was absolutely peak design and usability.

andai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Looks like this mod supports the "classic" theme too.

That was the thing I missed most in Windows 10. With the previous versions of Windows (I think up to 7?) you could still switch back to classic theme.

qsort 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same here, Windows 2000 is peak UI, I never liked the Frutiger Aero aesthetics. My only criticism is that it was, in a sense, too successful and elements like the taskbar and start menu got ossified and the design stagnated. Apple's F3 show all windows, F4 spotlight is far better. Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10.

I guess I like the design language but I wouldn't be prepared to give back the usability of modern UIs.

anthk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Frutiger Aero was never called like that. It was just a non-copycat gloss theme cleraly inspired from OSX' Aqua design. Even KDE3 did that for some time (Everaldo/Crystal icons, Keramik...) were rounded, glossy designs were hip and transparencies with XRender were everywere.

Both desktops tried to create someting shiny without being too close to Mac OS X.

TBH KDE has better themes like the Slick icon set and plain but contrasted widget and menu themes, kinda like the semi-flat theme from Office 2003 (was it the .Net theme?) or something like that, which was modern but not baroque and overloaded like Keramik or XP's silver theme with too many gradients.

That style would modernized would be several times than the unusable flat themes from today. Kinda like Zukitre for GTK2/3/4 under GNU/Linux and BSD desktops (ad QT5/6 being set to match the GTK3/4 themes under the settings).

aleph_minus_one 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Frutiger Aero was never called like that.

Indeed, the term "Frutiger Aero" was not really used among geeks in this time; I had to look up Wikipedia to get its precise meaning:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_Aero

On the other hand, basically everybody who had an opinion about Windows's design used the official terms

- Windows XP: Luna; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_visual_styles

- Windows Vista, 7: (Windows) Aero: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Aero and Liquid Glass (though the latter is an Apple term): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Glass

- Windows 8, 8.1: Metro; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_(design_language)

Borg3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah, its not rose tinted glasses. Win2000/Win2003 were amazing. I still run Win2003 because it just workz. GUI is great, it snappy, I have all the tools to tinker here and there.. Leaked SRC code helps tiny bit ;)

Win7 wasnt that bad, you still could set classic GUI. If they only kept it like this and plow money to improve kernel...

philamonster 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Booting win2k with under 10 processes running at startup and ~50MB RAM consumed was glorious. Updated Warp on a child's computer last evening and 7GB consumed at boot with W11 reminded me of win2k days and how much they are missed...

wolvoleo 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes for me too. Windows 2000 was clean and efficient. With not too much bling.

bananaboy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah I agree too. I never understood the love for the win7 aesthetic!

everyone an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

7 was the peak though cus it actually worked flawlessly.. In my experience earlier versions of windows were kinda janky and unstable.

blobcat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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picsao 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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