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nicce 5 hours ago

> Then when Claude is down for an hour, they get visibly angry and don't remember how to do anything pre-Claude :)

The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like.

puchatek 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The future is perpetually dealing with the fallout from all the vibe coding as the pool of people who'd have a shot at fixing it gets smaller and smaller. Shitty will be the new normal.

freetanga 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like it will be like going back to the 80s, when PCs became a norm and most programmers and hobbyists could code without the need of a University or a Corporation. Thousands of shareware apps you had to navigate, everyone trying to solve the same problems from different angles..

I do agree quality will be missed, and shadow IT will be again a big issue like at the end of the 80s and early 90s.

pjmlp 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Coding on 8 and 16 bit home computers still required some skills that most vibe coders certainly lack.

xienze 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> most programmers and hobbyists could code without the need of a University or a Corporation.

I don't think so. Back then, the pool of people doing such a thing basically self-selected for intelligent, motivated types who were capable of learning on their own. The new "programmers" "programming" via Claude Code are going to be very different from those hobbyists you're talking about.

ElFitz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Shitty will be the new normal.

I’ve heard the same from the best devs, and some who thought themselves to be the best, I’ve known long before LLMs were ever a thing.

I’m sure others heard the same when JavaScript and Python became near ubiquitous. When PHP emerged. When C supplanted Fortran and COBOL. When these two took over from Assembly. When punch cards went the way of the dodo.

There’s always someone for whom shitty is becoming the new normal. If that makes it a rule, what do we make of that rule?

StilesCrisis 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I’m sure others heard the same when JavaScript and Python became near ubiquitous. When PHP emerged.

You heard right! Most JavaScript and PHP in the world _is_ profoundly shitty. It's taken 20 years of intense research to make JavaScript compilers that are almost good enough to mostly optimize away the design foibles of the language.

microtonal 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are different magnitudes of shitty.

Also we went from compilers with an IDE that had a debugger, profiler, built-in help and would fit on a 3.5" disk and would load on machines with 640KiB RAM (Turbo Pascal) to chat apps or password managers that are hundreds of megabytes and regularly gobble up more than a gigabyte of memory because they ship with their own browser.

Something is lost along the way.

sersi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be fair with how powerful our computers are, it's a pity that electron apps like bitwarden, spotify are so slow and consume so much resources. I do miss the time when a lot of apps were snappy

freetanga 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe it’s a process. Many of the transitions you mentioned did bring shitty apps (not all of them, the ones replacing tech for tech were mostly ok, the ones democratizing dev did come with a quality drop), but eventually Darwinism will take effect and trim the long tail.

Coding per se is not hard. Proper engineering is. I do hope this change brings a change in focus (people train in algorithms, efficiency, solid development patterns) but I am afraid it won’t be the case.

Saline9515 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"With a punchcard at least, I can verify what the input is! Unlike those new 'transistors' that are so unreliable!"

mercanlIl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think there are some pretty good ways to understand it now.

When the electricity goes out, (most) people get similarly upset. No electricity means no internet, and all of a sudden everything that people had planed to do can’t be done until the power returns.

tyre 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same as anything else. It’ll go down sometimes, people will take a break and chat, then it will come back up.

Like Slack or GitHub or AWS or whatever. It’s almost always a net positive to wait vs do it yourself.

jappgar 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What about when you work at Anthropic?

lukan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the scenario was more of, if really everyone depends on claude, then better nothing critical(medical software, aviation, traffic controll ..) breaks while claude is offline.

andrewl-hn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At least some of the projects in these industries now specify strict no-AI-use policies in contracts. I participate in a few of these, and it’s becoming a bit of a pain, because all dev tool vendors insist on adding AI features, and if there’s no way to turn them off completely we have to migrate away.

However, the temptation of productivity gains are strong, and few of the customers look into relaxing these rules.

jebus989 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The good thing is we've learned this already from cloud. When one AWS region is degraded we all failover to other regions, and then other cloud providers, right? ...right?

vrganj 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm more scared at everyone outsourcing their thinking to a private, for-profit company.

What could possibly go wrong.

dns_snek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thinking, yes, but also secrets, access and effective control of important services in every country and company worldwide, centralized in the US (or anywhere else) where the NSA can take the driver's seat at any time. "AI" is the ultimate sleeper agent.

nz an hour ago | parent [-]

I have been saying things to this effect for a few years now, and have literally been laughed at. I feel like that guy that suggested that doctors should wash their hands before operating on patients -- they laughed at him too, before they put him in an asylum. What's going to happen, is that everyone who realizes that these policies are a mistake, is going to quietly retcon their own role in that mistake, while scapegoating everyone that they don't like.

Also, would bet money that the derived data from the meeting-summarizers is being sold to hedge-funds, to give them a bit of an edge.

FridgeSeal 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Also, would bet money that the derived data from the meeting-summarizers is being sold to hedge-funds, to give them a bit of an edge.

And if it isn't already, you can be that they're probably to start.

All those "difficult to program but easy-if-time-consuming-for-human" tasks, will 1000% be farmed out to models at unprecedented scales.

ValentineC 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like.

I can't wait for a Hollywood blockbuster that'll pretty much be science non-fiction.

dheera 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> wonder what is future like

Probably "don't do anything to upset AI companies or you will effectively become a handicapped person"

Not that different from life in China: "don't do anything to upset Tencent and AliPay or you will become an outcast"

Or life in the US if you're a content creator: "don't do anything to upset Meta or Youtube or you will not be able to pay your rent"

The future: ToS basically becomes law, and you will be stripped of your own second brain if you violate it or say anything they deem "sensitive"

oulipo2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Full of security holes

BoredPositron an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

same was said about electricity.

safety1st 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Seems far less scary to me than, say, building an electrical grid in a cold climate, where if it fails for a few days people start to die. Oh wait...

jappgar 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

which is more likely when they start vibe-coding grid managers

M95D 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would they die in cold climate? I would expect them to die in hot climate (no AC - heat stroke, no refrigerator - food poisoning), not the cold where they would have wood/gas heating.

coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's the same, on steroids.

M95D 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine what happens if computers stop working* and you have to go back to pen and paper for a few days.

* ransomware attack, fire in the server room, database HDD crash, car accident takes out the internet connection, ...