> You don’t act honourably because that will “get you ahead”. You act honourably because it is right.

As much as I would like to believe that’s true I don’t think it is.

You act honourably because society incentivises you to. To act dishonourably is to be disadvantaged, to be shamed, to be cast out. That is the part that’s missing today.

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jdlshore 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I see where you’re coming from, but something about this framing bothers me.

I think acting honorably has to come from within. It’s something that people need to do regardless of rewards or incentives. Now, how we create a culture that actually does so… that has to come from society. But, imo, if people only act honorably because they’re rewarded for it, and they don’t when no one is looking… that’s not acting honorably at all.

	▲	lovemenot an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You can both be right. I live in a high trust society (Japan), but was raised elsewhere. When I first came here, there were times I had to suppress my instinct to take opportunistic advantage. That was intrinsic motivation. Later, I had adapted to the culture around me. Such instincts rarely arise as it had become extrinsic.