The idea that capitalism off loads the cost of externalities onto the unwitting public is nothing new. This is just the most recent and obvious version. Air anbd water pollution are the old ones. They make the pollution and the public pays for it with superfund sites or increased health care costs.

The solution is having the consumer pay for the externalities when they use the product. But this would make AI so much more expensive. When you use AI you are exploiting other people. Just keep that in mind.

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catlikesshrimp a day ago | parent | next [-]

The last two sentences are drawing downvotes to an otherwise sensible comment.

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Noaidi a day ago | parent [-]

I agree. But is it a false statement?

	▲	mindslight a day ago \| parent [-]
		It's the tired pattern of absolving the direct bad actors (the corpos themselves), as well as corrupt regulators who give them a pass, in favor of diffusing the responsibility onto individuals. If we're talking about collective action to solve the problem, it should be more of the form of demanding regulation that directly stops the bad actors, rather than this nonsensical fallacy from the same vein as "voting with our wallets".

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jshen a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it's people that do that, not capitalism. This happens in every system that has existed in human history.

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tadfisher a day ago | parent [-]

Absolutely not. The default economic system is anarchy, also known as sharing and mutual aid. You see this even in the reddest of US states, where disaster victims help each other, and a huge pastime is sharing food via potlucks. But all evidence points to anarchical/egalitarian cultures as the baseline mechanism of human organization from prehistory.

Externalities don't exist in anarchic systems, because there is no hierarchical separation between producer and consumer. You can't push off costs to some members of the community when they have equal power to retaliate in kind, and there is no incentive to do so.

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fc417fc802 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Externalities don't exist in anarchic systems

Sure they do. I do a thing, it benefits me but causes a problem for my neighbor in the process, I say "oh well fuck him", that's a textbook externality.

> they have equal power to retaliate in kind

A convenient fiction often engaged in by proponents of anarchy. In practice if you compare pairs of people at random you will find almost none that can reasonably be described as equal. Equality is something imposed by the law in an attempt to improve our lives on average.

Anarchy lasts exactly as long as it takes people to start banding together and no longer.

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hdgvhicv a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok so you’d win a community upstream on a river and you build a dam and hive off the water

Downstream 500 miles away another community loses their water source

Those externalities still exist

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catlikesshrimp a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Haiti is in Anarchy. All sharing and mutual aid is shadowed by resource and power struggle. It is even worse than communism and fascism.

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Noaidi a day ago | parent [-]

> Haiti is in Anarchy

This is what people say when they have no idea what people mean by the POLITICAL system of Anarchism (Libertarian Socialism).

Anarchism, the political system, is not "chaos". That is propaganda that started during the 1930's. If you want to learn about it, real the Anarchist FAQ.

(I have a degrees in American History and Economics if that matters).

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-ed...

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CamperBob2 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, and communism has never been given a fair shake, either. For that matter, neither has laissez-faire capitalism.

At some point, you need to accept that your favorite "-ism" has an impedance mismatch with human nature.

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tadfisher a day ago | parent [-]

Anarchism means "without hierarchy". This how humans organized until the populations of sedentary agricultural communities exploded. I will argue, and keep arguing despite downvotes, that anarchism has the least impedance mismatch with human nature out of every system, because it was the status quo before civilization became the norm.

	▲	jshen a day ago \| parent [-]
		pretty sure humans had hierarchy from the beginning.

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sieabahlpark a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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jshen a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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CamperBob2 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Externalities don't exist in anarchic systems

Neither do computers.