I’m always amazed that when I tell people I intend to retire in my 50s, they tell me that I can’t possibly mean that and actively wonder how I could possibly fill my time. It’s as if we could not possibly function as humans without meaningless shifting of tangible/intangibles from one place to another.

Society is so hellbent on the idea that we need our job to be our identity, they lack the imagination for another other reality.

It’s ridiculous.

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ryanackley an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sure working sucks, but have you tried not working? I think this is from lived experience because I've gone for stretches of not working (intentionally). It can be challenging to find a sense of fulfillment. I know it seems counter-intuitive but if you do succeed in your dream of retiring in your 50's I think you'll understand what I mean when you get there.

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JohnFen 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think this varies wildly from person to person. I've also intentionally gone long stretches without working and those are the times when I've had a dramatically increased sense of purpose and fulfillment. Working for others reduces those things for me.

I'm in the age group where a lot of the people around me have retired. Some of them have fared very poorly, some have straight-up blossomed.

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ryanackley 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ok but one of the great things about retiring when everyone else does is you have a community. If you stop working when you're young, everyone else in your network is probably still working.

I'm not against early retirement. One of my points was that, in general, it's harder to find fulfillment as a working age adult outside of work. Not impossible, just more challenging.

	▲	mrhottakes 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It's harder for -you- to find fulfillment outside of work. This is not a true statement for most or "in general".

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mrhottakes 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you need to do better at not working. It's great actually.

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bachmeier 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry, but your comment isn't really responding to OP's main point.

> It can be challenging to find a sense of fulfillment.

If you actually get fulfillment from work, then great, continue to work. The critical thing that drives people to retire earlier than the average person is that their work doesn't give them a sense of fulfillment. It's literally just a way to fill out the day. Some people do have things that are more fulfilling than letting an employer tell them how to spend their day.

	▲	ryanackley 28 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, it was responding. One of my points was that it has nothing to do with society's expectations but people's lived experiences and observations. You seem to think I'm advocating for working your entire life. I'm just trying to share my lived experience so please take it easy. There is some bitterness that's coming across in your response.

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bachmeier an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It is indeed ridiculous. People saying they're going to let someone else tell them what to do with their time, energy, and calendar, even if they hate doing it. The only explanation I have is that they have been letting the wrong people program them.