Does that include “untreated suicidal ideation”?

Yep, as someone who suffers from depression and suicidal ideation regularly its been made very clear to me on multiple occasions that I would rather be in this state than interface with involuntary committal. I don't know what points you are looking to score here.

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ceejayoz 2 days ago | parent [-]

I have several loved ones in the same situation, including two who've wound up in hospital in this way. I'm glad they did.

Fun? No. But better than dying.

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hilariously 2 days ago | parent [-]

I get it, I am not advocating to live unmedicated or anything, but pretty much every emergency medical experience I have had any contact with in the USA has been so universally painful and dehumanizing that it gives me extreme pause, I would not willingly engage with it.

	▲	ceejayoz 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I'm fine with someone making that call for themselves with personal experience, although doing it in a sound state of mind can be challenging in crisis. I'd just caution you that it's not a universal experience. As with, say, COVID masking, some people found it abhorrent, and others still voluntarily mask today; some found lockdowns almost fun, others despised even the thought of staying home for a few days. Statistically, police/committment intervention from calling the hotline is rare, and another commenter linked evidence (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48122550) of significant benefits to balance it.