> What I am not understanding is the case of why, why would dutch government or website do this, is it out of honest mistake/(incompetence?) or malice. There are so many competent & great dutch engineers and engineers in general, I refuse to believe that they couldn't find anyone ethical enough to take extra care regarding GDPR and sensitivity of the data in general.

Ask 100 random developers to setup a website, and to make sure the website owner should be able to see how many people visit the website, and probably 90 of those developers will default to setting up Google Analytics, just by "instinct".

People generally just continue with whatever they've learned, not revisiting the default choices they make, and it's been ingrained over decades that "Google Analytics is the best way to optimize your sales funnel" or whatever the marketers drink nowadays, so it'll take some time for these folks to revisit their decisions.

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foolswisdom 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not just instinct, I'd need to be able to justify the choice against any potential downside of not choosing the default option.

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Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> People generally just continue with whatever they've learned, not revisiting the default choices they make, and it's been ingrained over decades that "Google Analytics is the best way to optimize your sales funnel" or whatever the marketers drink nowadays, so it'll take some time for these folks to revisit their decisions.

Perhaps you are right but what the duck does sales funnel mean in a suicide prevention website?

I mean, perhaps Google analytics might make sense anywhere else except this but perhaps you are right that there might be many dev's who don't know anything except G.A.

But I personally used to (still do) have the habit of searching open source alternatives to software themselves.

https://alternativeto.net/software/google-analytics/?license...

https://openalternative.co/alternatives/google-analytics

There are many alternatives present which value gdpr and can be self hosted easily.

I am unsure of what should be done if its case of ignorance rather than malice, malice can be fixed but ignorance is a greater systemetic issues and there are websites which help in fixing the gap of knowledge (like the ones I linked, esp alternativeto has genuinely helped me personally in many things) but the issue is that people might not even know or perhaps even bother with these websites too.

So is there any solution to such issues except awkward silences?

	▲	embedding-shape 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Perhaps you are right but what the duck does sales funnel mean in a suicide prevention website? It's just a random example what marketers and owners think about when choosing an analytics platform, not specific to a suicide prevention website. But also, think that the website owner has some "Goal" which in this context might be "Someone calls and didn't kill themselves", then they'd try to setup their analytics platform to give them concrete numbers and metrics about this "sales funnel". > But I personally used to (still do) have the habit of searching open source alternatives to software themselves. Me too, and I don't disagree with anything what you write. But practically, among less-technical users, imagine your typical Windows dev who've written C# code for two decades and gets excited when Microsoft holds press-conferences, these people aren't seriously gonna re-evaluate their choices, they go with what they already know in 99% of the cases. > So is there any solution to such issues except awkward silences? Best you can do is be honest, forthcoming and help them understand if it feels like they don't understand. Ultimately, people won't try to solve things they don't see as issues, so the first step to take might be to clearly identify and show them what issues the current approach as, with concrete evidence and context.