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| ▲ | wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| An invasion threat isn't easily forgotten. Eventually things will be ok but America will have to prove itself again. Trust comes on foot and leaves on horseback. Even if Trump is replaced by a Democrat, the conditions that made Trump happen are still there. That won't change from one day to the next. And don't forget he already happened twice. 10-20 years of decent administrations will make things ok again. But of course our economies will be much more decoupled by then. That process has been set in motion now and won't easily stop. That can start going the other way again but things will have to meaningfully change then over time. As for Hungary I still don't trust them as far as I can throw them. I would have been happy to bump them back to candidate EU member during the Orban reign and let them prove themselves. Don't forget this Magyar guy is still super conservative. Just less anti EU. But unfortunately EU law didn't provide for the ability to throw a country out. That was a huge oversight. |
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| ▲ | drstewart 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are right of course. Germany eventually rebuilt trust within Europe, but now have a highly decoupled economy from their neighbors. As you correctly point out. | | |
| ▲ | lava_pidgeon an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | 1.) after ww 2 European economies were very decoupled
2.) One guy mentions Netherlands but if we can think about Poland, Israel, Ukraine. Israel and Ukraine because Germany supported these countries militarily, in Poland financially but still ww2 is not forgotten. Btw. You can ask Canadian people what they thought about their annexation threats. | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No but it has been 80 years doh. When I was young there was still a lot of ill will and distrust against the Germans and that was 40+ years after the war. We were still joking about wanting our bikes back (the nazis stole everything metal at the end of the war to make weapons). And didn't like them at beach resorts etc. People would much rather buy American than German products. That's over now but it took a very long time. Which was exactly my point. Time and consistently good politics will heal this but time it will take. Of course the sooner you turn things around the better but the disconnection has already been set in motion and big ships turn slowly. |
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| ▲ | onemoresoop 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| EU wokeup from their sleep with backstabs all around. What a rude awakening indeed. Possibly some were dismissed when they raised this scenario as unlikely. |
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| ▲ | drstewart 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There can always be another Orban. Unless Europeans can never trust Hungary again and move away from them at lightspeed, I'm smelling hypocrisy. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I didn't say never. I just said, if America gets a sane administration again, things won't be automatically back to normal. There will be caution for years. Also, any new administration will spend years undoing all the destruction that has been done until things can be considered normal again. And yes I don't trust Hungary. | | |
| ▲ | onemoresoop 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Trust needs to be earned again, it’s a long process but ultimately it can be gained back |
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| ▲ | onemoresoop 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Im sure there are other would be Orbans ready to jump in. In fact the current US admin is stoking the fire openly. |
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| ▲ | FpUser 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >"So, what's the European thinking on Hungary as a partner within the EU in the future?" Does that really matter? They can not un-member it. And if current economic situation persists you will find more with the Orban like thinking. |
