| ▲ | jeroenhd 2 hours ago |
| Their hardware is usually fine when it comes to support. Google announces the support lifetime of their devices and sticks to it, with feature updates coming to things like phones even after the support period ended through things like app stores. Just check the support lifetime of the device before buying (early Pixels only had 2 years of support, as was announced at release). Their cloud services are nothing but hot air but their hardware support has been excellent for the past few years. Easily beats other major manufacturers. I'm still annoyed that Apple won't tell you how long they will support their hardware. Other competitors manage to be even worse. |
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| ▲ | notatoad an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| "support" meaning drivers and basic security updates, sure. but if you buy this for the gemini integration, what are the odds that google actually sticks with that, or two years from now are you going to have a laptop that lags behind the feature set available in the gemini app for mac because they didn't sell enough of these to bother continuing development? |
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| ▲ | simonjgreen 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hmmmmmmmm Nest Secure
Google Home
Stadia
Daydream
Glass
Nexus
Pixel Slate
Pixelbook
Chromecast Audio
OnHub
Jamboard |
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| ▲ | ahmadyan 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| yeah, even on product lines that they kill (like Stadia) they usually do right by the user (eg they refunded everyone, both on hardware and software people bought on the platform). |
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| ▲ | treexs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I thought Apple does tell you how long they'll support hardware. For example: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102772 |
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| ▲ | rvnx 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They artificially slow down the software and drain the battery before new release though (they have been sued for that and lost) | | |
| ▲ | kajman 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I like to keep phones a long time. Before I finally slotted in a sketchy new third party battery, my last android would suddenly shut off at anywhere from 15-30℅ battery remaining because of the voltage drop. I think they deserve a pass for that "scandal". | | |
| ▲ | meatbundragon 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I've never seen this with Pixels | |
| ▲ | rvnx 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://youtu.be/YfnfhM4O_S8?t=202 45% battery on iOS 18 25% battery on iOS 26 (which corresponds to iOS 19) ... This is 2026 https://www.ladbible.com/technology/iphone-ios-update-26-del... (sadly got stuck with that degraded phone because the Apple Watch that refuses to pair if you run iOS 18) | | |
| ▲ | panopticon a minute ago | parent [-] | | The timestamped part of the video shows an iPhone 15 and 17, both on iOS 26.3. 45% on the iPhone 17 and 25% on the iPhone 15. Only the iPhone XR in that test is on iOS 18. It scored behind all of the models on iOS 26.3 except for the iPhone SE. But that's not a useful comparison because who knows what condition the XR's battery is in at this point, and nothing else ran on a comparable iOS version. Not sure what point you were trying to make with that video, but it doesn't really demonstrate cross-version battery performance. |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Old batteries' internal resistance rises and they become unable to deliver high current. If you try, thanks to V=IR, the output voltage will droop and you'll brown out. Limiting CPU speed prevents high current draw and random device resets. The alternative was to let it run fast and have it randomly reset under load even when battery is 50% full. All of this is only relevant cause apple devices are often used for so long after release (5-7 years, this message typed on a 5 year old iPhone) [1] (random source, more available on google.com) while statistically few android devices last long enough in consumer pockets for this to matter (2.5-3 years is average) [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/9uha1o/android_vs_... | |
| ▲ | janfoeh an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, they do not, and they did not. They started throttling devices based on battery age after "Batterygate" in 2016, after a wave of news that their phones were suddenly shutting off on high load because the batteries terminal voltage dropped. They do not "artificially slow down before a new release". The were sued because in their typical arrogance, they neglected to _tell_ people about that. They did not lose, they settled a class action suit. As a result, they made battery management and state a lot more transparent in iOS, as they should have done in the first place. Claiming malicious planned obsolescence, as you did, requires facts not in evidence. | | |
| ▲ | wavemode 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > They did not lose, they settled a class action suit. I mean... settling means you lost, almost by definition. You were sued and then paid the person who sued you. Settling is the result of almost all lawsuits where the company knows they were at fault - why would you go to trial if you know you're going to lose? Now, don't get me wrong - your overall point could still be correct. Many companies who still do believe themselves to not be at fault, offer a settlement purely for the reason that it's cheaper in terms of legal fees (or perhaps less of a PR nuisance, or just generally lower-risk) than going to trial. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I mean... settling means you lost, almost by definition. No, since "settling" is something both sides do, if it were losing, it would be both sides losing. Settling is a decision to compromise to mitigate the cost of litigation (and in the US, which does not have loser pays as the default rule, that can be quite expensive even if you win) as well as the risk of loss. You can’t really characterize it as being more "winning" or "losing" for anyone one party without a much more detailed consideration of the specific terms and the expected costs of litigation, etc. |
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| ▲ | rvnx an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Try iOS 26, you'll see what it means in practice, you will get a phone with worse battery life, slower operating system and no path to downgrade, only way is to upgrade your phone to the next big thing. If it's not malicious, then it's gross incompetence, but at the end of the day, it will still eventually require to purchase a new Apple device, when a downgrade would have been enough. It's not the first time even: https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/iphone-update-iss...
<iPhone user sparks debate after device becomes ruined following mandatory update: 'This is just ridiculous'> It's a long-term issue, because even if it will get fixed in two years, then the battery damages due to severe drain are permanent, and this is to be paid with your pocket, or again... upgrade to a new iPhone. It's not the first cycle like this, slower software is deployed to all iPhones, older iPhones lag, and you have to purchase the fresh new iPhone. == "Apple implemented unfair commercial practices", the Italian competition authority said in a statement (after fining Apple).
The companies encouraged users to upgrade operating system software but did not make clear the increased demands that new software would make on smartphones, according to the authority.
This "caused serious malfunctions and significantly reduced performance", which provoked users into upgrading their devices, the authority said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45963943
==This is about the generic software updates. The main issue is that you have no path to downgrade, no way to use your own OS, and your only choice is to hope for an update from Apple that will revert back your device to its normal way of working, or, purchase a new phone, which won't have this issue. It's literally impossible that they have not noticed, so if not planned obsolescence, at least, it is intentional degradation of existing products (or that their team is not able to notice...) It's rather the other proof around that we would like to see, that Apple did not know the impact of what they are doing. If they knew, you know what it means. |
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| ▲ | chocochunks an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not how long they will provide software support. It's how long you can get a hardware repair. Some "vintage" products will get current software support but not others. Some products have lost software support before even reaching "vintage" like the first Gen iPad. |
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| ▲ | smallmancontrov an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > early Pixels only had 2 years of support, as was announced at release They also announced a promotion for unlimited cloud storage of photos and then shrank and JPEG massacred the photos. That part of my photo library is still visibly trashy to this very day. Every time I browse my photos, I am reminded that google did this. |
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| ▲ | throwaway030 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My Pixel 3A stopped receiving security updates after less than 3 years. I remember Google did this to start using their own chips in their phones. Two or three years is not even close to the support Apple provides. It sealed the deal for me and I switched to iPhone. |
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| ▲ | joshuamorton an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, they've since more than doubled the support lifetimes to seven years. | | |
| ▲ | mrandish 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | My understanding is that, depending on the phone vendor, such support may only apply to security updates after ~3 years and not feature updates. | |
| ▲ | pseudosavant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What about when that “support” is to brick your battery so your phone lasts hours because they know it is defective but don’t want to fix it? Google’s hardware track record is a joke compared to Apple. | | |
| ▲ | flipnotyk an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not arguing with your point about Google, but isn't Apple very often accused of forced obsolescence through updates to their phones? Is there any truth to the accusations of "running slower and dying faster" after a new model releases? |
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| ▲ | o_m an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's only been 2.5 years since they said that. I'm sure they will walk back on their word before it has been 7 years. | | |
| ▲ | morsch an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The increased update timelines by Google, Samsung and others roughly coincided with EU legislation coming into effect that mandates 5 years of updates after end of sales. We'll see. https://www.heise.de/en/news/From-June-20-EU-gives-smartphon... | | |
| ▲ | danudey 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Correction: if the manufacturer chooses to provide updates, and they don't have to, they must continue to make those updates available for five years after end of sales. In other words, manufacturers aren't required to publish updates at all, but if they do provide updates they have to make them available to users for five years after they stop sales. This only stops the case where a manufacturer ships a device and publishes updates for the device, but then takes those updates offline after they stop selling the device (but before 5 years is up). https://www.theandroidportal.com/motorola-android-update-loo... |
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| ▲ | jsnell an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you have any part examples of them committing to a specific support timeline on a product and reneging on it? I can't think of one. | | |
| ▲ | danudey 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Google promised their Nexus phones would get new versions of Android for X years then, after selling a bunch of them, just changed their mind. I'm having a hard time googling it since every result that comes up is about Google cancelling Nexus phones entirely way back when, but I remember a lot of Nexus users were kind of PO'ed about it. |
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| ▲ | joshuamorton 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean I guess anything is possible, but the Pixel 6 and 7 also are receiving 5+ years of updates, and those sure seem real so far. |
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| ▲ | nullocator an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What about Nest? It's great that they announced a lifetime and stuck with it I guess? Sucks for anyone who bought into the ecosystem. You'd have to pay me to try and adopt more google products at this point, otherwise it's almost certainly sooner or later going to be deemed a waste of money/time. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Their hardware is usually fine when it comes to support. Google announces the support lifetime of their devices and sticks to it If they announce a support lifetime they stick to it. For other products they'll just decide they're done with it and give you a little warning period. Maybe some store credit or another bonus depending on the product. |