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The Rise of the Bullshittery(xn--gckvb8fzb.com)
91 points by dxs an hour ago | 50 comments
the_42nd 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Using a throwaway for this comment, but my first experience with this kind of thing was in 2013 when I joined a major international company with over 100k employees worldwide and realized that there were entire departments and organizations dedicated to delivering no value at all. Departments with 100s of people, with middle managers making several times the average salary in my country, where after years of work nothing of value was delivered and nobody was held responsible. I always wondered how companies like this can even exist and why shareholders invest in them.

pixl97 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because in general they are still making more money than god on average.

This and they spend a lot of effort in rent seeking and otherwise ensuring their profits are encoded into laws.

Also, quite often those 100s of people sitting around are a political requirement. That is, they got some tax break to ensure X people have jobs. That is, it's a job program.

eikenberry 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone knows this is true of every large enterprise shop and is one of the reasons that wall street rewards layoffs.

RobRivera 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Follow the money, and answers become more obvious as to why. As to how? Hehehehe

micromacrofoot 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

entropy

pugworthy 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Speaking of bullshittery, I don't really appreciate it's little game when it comes to trying to convince me to turn off JavaScript. It knows when you see it and you'll know when you see it.

a_shovel 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I keep javascript on because i want websites to not be broken by default. but if they insist, i can add their domain to my ublock filter

NooneAtAll3 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

if anything, it's browser's fault for notifying page when you tab away from it

tolerance 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Haven't thoroughly read this article but these passages from C. Wright Mill's The Sociological Imagination (1959) immediately come to mind:

    Once upon a time academic reputations were generally ex-
    pected to be based upon the productions of books, studies, mono-
    graphs—in sum, upon the production of ideas and scholarly
    works, and upon the judgment of these works by academic col-
    leagues and intelligent laymen. One reason why this has been so
    in social science and the humanities is that a man’s competence
    or incompetence has been available for inspection, since the older
    academic world did not contain privileged positions of compe-
    tence. It is rather difficult to know whether the alleged compe-
    tence of a corporation president, for example, is due to his own
    personal abilities or to the powers and facilities available to him
    by virtue of his position. But there has been no room for such
    doubt about scholars working, as old-fashioned professors have
    worked, as craftsmen.
    
    However, by his prestige, the new academic statesman, like the
    business executive and the military chieftain, has acquired means
    of competence which must be distinguished from his personal
    competence—but which in his reputation are not so distinguished.
    A permanent professional secretary, a clerk to run to the library,
    an electric typewriter, dictating equipment, and a mimeographing
    machine, and perhaps a small budget of three or four thousand
    dollars a year for purchasing books and periodicals—even such
    minor office equipment and staff enormously increases any
    scholar’s appearance of competence. Any business executive will
    laugh at the pettiness of such means; college professors will not
    —few professors, even productive ones, have such facilities on a
    secure basis. Yet such equipment is a means of competence and
    of career—which secure clique membership makes much more
    likely than does unattached scholarship. The clique’s prestige
    increases the chance to get them, and having them in turn in-
    creases the chance to produce a reputation.
kmacdough 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

This formatting is intolerable on mobile.

tolerance 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Page 108.

https://ratical.org/ratville/AoS/TheSociologicalImagination....

https://ia801709.us.archive.org/6/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.10...

lokimedes 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a feeling this goes waaaay back, but was covered by claims of authority, in a time where merit and authority were intertwined. My pet peeve is that management is a transferable skill that supersedes industry expertise. It is such a convenient lie that offers MBAs, management consultants, burned out business executives and “retired” generals alike a new career without actually knowing anything about what they are doing. Bullshittery of the finest quality.

sollewitt 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In an attention economy the thing that pays is capturing attention - a terrifyingly finite thing that determines our lived experiences.

Rewarding people who are good that this is a compounding mistake.

ToucanLoucan 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

The one good thing I hope comes from the en masse adoption for this sort of slop is that it renders the problem of the attention economy inert, because now anyone, including the platforms themselves, can now generate masses of pointless content at a whim. I hope, very very HOPE, that what that will do is that vacuous bullshit content will finally be SO abundant, so ubiquitous, that even regular people who generally don't care about the quality of things will FINALLY have to curate their feeds out of sheer necessity.

I genuinely think the future of Facebook, LinkedIn, et al could look very much like just bot farms generating bullshit at scale for other bots to consume and inflate the metrics on while everyone actually interested in... anything really, sails off to greener pastures that have revenue streams that don't require this.

To be clear, my ideal future would not be this, if for no other reason than the catastrophic electrical and bandwidth being wasted to pretend anyone on LinkedIn's best ranking posts understands a single thing under the sun, but I consider this a solid #2 option.

dataviz1000 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I found myself in one of the rare situations in which I was mindlessly doom-scrolling on LinkedIn

Yet, the biggest bullshittery, is every company that almost each of you work at requires a link to a LinkedIn account on every job application, not optional. It has become a form of social credit. LinkedIn isn't completely meaningless either. A huge portion of the posts are also propaganda. Finding a new job is tied to listening to propaganda.

throwup9 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

> requires a link to a LinkedIn account on every job application, not optional. Finding a new job is tied to listening to propaganda.

Let's be clear, what this really means is that if you enjoy survival, you are forced into directly supporting the Epstein class. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-04/how-jeffr...

The linked in bullshitters aren't having fun, they don't actually think any of this is real, they might even prefer real work to grifting. People in charge of hiring and interviewing don't want this. The coercion is in the network really.. but everyone must become complicit.

mjewkes 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>an awful lot of modern professional life consists of producing artifacts whose primary audience is other people producing artifacts. Slide decks for slide decks, strategy documents about strategy documents

This is because thinking, communication, and collaboration are extremely valuable.

cjs_ac 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because I live in the UK, I’m often told this narrative of social decay, about how everything is getting worse and no one cares about doing anything properly. I disagree; I think it’s always been like this, and our feeling of disappointment persists because our expectation of improvement grows faster than actual improvement.

LinkedIn is full of bullshit because no one has anything genuine to say that’s appropriate for that platform. The people posting that nonsense don’t actually believe it.

The game is tedious, and if you don’t play you lose. It was like this before the Internet, too: my father limited his earning potential by being bad at networking, whereas my grandfather did went so far as to join the Freemasons to climb the corporate ladder to the top.

VonTum 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find especially painful the tradeoff between productivity and visibility. Every minute I spend trying to advertise my project is a minute I'm not spending making it better.

tptacek 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the bullshittery in its mature form, which doesn’t consist of individual lies, or individual scams, but a steady-state ecosystem in which a large share of professional output is produced to be seen by other people producing output, and in which the connection to anything resembling a real customer, a real problem, or a real outcome has gone slack.

Wait, what? Being two or more steps removed from "a real customer" makes your job bullshit?

zelias 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

loving the overlay you get when you open it in a tab and then tab away

NwtnsMthd 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm ashamed to admit, I had too many tabs open to notice :|

echelon 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That was brilliant.

Some of the ones I spotted:

- FTX Cryptocurrency

- Infowars

- YouTube: Linus goes into a real girl's bedroom (lmao, what is this supposed to be?)

- YouTube: MrBeast en Espanol

- Netflix: Fifty Shades of Grey

- ChatGPT: Online Debate Argument Suggestions (haha - I've never done that...)

- Hacker News: The Internet Used to be Fun

- Google: Zuckerberg Nudes

- Official Church of Scientology

stordoff 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

> YouTube: Linus goes into a real girl's bedroom (lmao, what is this supposed to be?)

LTT (Linus Tech Tips, a YouTube channel) have used it as a real title before. "Linus goes into a real girl's bedroom - Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkCX8d8WSOg

beastman82 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I simply cannot click such a domain name

dan_sbl 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is an Internationalized domain name (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name) - the actual domain shows up in browsers as マリウス.com but HN unfortunately doesn't decode or show it that way.

incognito124 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The author has a post on that, btw

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/never-click-on-a-link-that-looks-l...

lbrito 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I was befuddled too, thought it was an Elon Musk offspring's name or something. Turns out it is a Japanese character.

NooneAtAll3 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

simply means you have never left your english-language bubble :)

lbrito 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ha, I'm ESL :D

khazhoux 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the modern economy has stopped rewarding people who know what they are doing, and started rewarding people who know how to look like they do.

Yes, this is a totally new phenomenon which has never ever been the case at literally every point in human history.

d_silin 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think at least one approach that can work is de-globalization of social media into smaller, reputation/trust-ranked social networks. Discord is pretty good in this regard.

dexterlagan 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you have suggestions for good Discord servers, please share. The bullshittery is coming out of my ears. I don't quite know where to turn to anymore. There's HN. Reddit is getting a bit crazy, all other social media is a pass for me.

d_silin 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

What topics are you interested in - I have about a dozen subscribed to.

Gaming? Webcomics? Fusion power? Space exploration?

rolph 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

that sounds like making friends.

bluefirebrand 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In order to make friends you kind of need to have spaces where you can meet people and trust them enough to make connections

In person is obviously the safest for this. For online friendships I feel the places to meet people you can trust aren't AI or Scammers has shrunk a ton

d_silin 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It is!

Animats 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In "Failure Is Not an Option", Gene Kranz, who ran Apollo Mission Control in the 1960s, brings up tolerance for bullshit. Someone tried to bullshit him about something. He put his arm around them and walked them out of mission control. They were never in that room again.

We need more leaders like that.

qwertyforce 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I blame the ML engineers who work on these recommendation systems. They chase simplistic objectives like CTR, time spent, and so on, which can be gamed by this kind of content. This creates huge positive feedback loops in which popular content becomes even more popular and forms “metas,” while models train on clickstream data they themselves have influenced. They could try to fix this, but they won’t, because no one is asking them to

RobRivera 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Very much intertia bias that hamstrings discoverability

ragall 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very apt parallel between LinkedIn and late night infomercials.

languagehacker 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The bullshittery is the thing that will not survive enshittification. I keep telling people that all the tokens we're blowing are going to explode in cost as soon as these companies run out of other people's money. To me, this means being laser-focused on your core competencies and only "farming out" stuff to AI that you would offload to a vendor. We're all familiar with the level of risk there, and the kind of encapsulation you need to swap something out if a vendor fails you.

claysmithr 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

BSOD now stands for bullshit on demand... thanks to AI

boznz 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those that can Do, those that can't Bullshit.

dmitrygr 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> bullshitter is not the same as the liar, because the liar at least respects the truth enough to try to hide it, but the bullshitter does not care whether what they are saying is true or false

thus, by definition, all LLMs are bullshitters

bigfishrunning 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know about that. When you're prompting some LLM, the response you get is a statistically likely valid response to the prompt. Whether it contains any truth or facts or information at all is besides the point; the LLM has done its job of predicting something that is statistically likely to be the answer.

The fact that people assign any weight to that information is the mistake.

dmitrygr 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Whether it contains any truth or facts or information at all is besides the point

The definition of bullshit in the original article was precisely this: no care given to whether there is truth in what is said.

ForceBru 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Relevant research paper: Hicks, M.T., Humphries, J. & Slater, J. ChatGPT is bullshit. Ethics Inf Technol 26, 38 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10676-024-09775-5

dmitrygr 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

  >The person next to you, who is willing to fake the demo and declare victory on LinkedIn even before the launch, is going to look more successful than you.
This is not new, sadly. At least in USA schools, cheating is quite prevalent, as is faking disability to unfairly get more time on tests (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/01/elite-universit...), so anyone being honest is at a disadvantage.
simianwords 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Been noticing this new phenotype of tech bro who writes with an air of superiority, subtly belittling all those beneath him. Also ardently believes in

- bullshit jobs

- enshittification

- kubernetes being a psyop

- tech landscape was best exactly during his career peak and has gone down since