| ▲ | josefritzishere 5 hours ago |
| Why are they so determined to do evil? |
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| ▲ | qball 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because there's zero electoral accountability, and the voting bloc that insist it be that way are so obsessed with importing all the bad parts of the Commonwealth here that this will not change for the foreseeable future. That Commonwealth, of course, imports all the cultural ideas and outlooks Coastal Americans have with about a 5 year delay, usually with anti-Americanism as the excuse, at the expense of the local culture. This is just what happens when you import American politics without the American system that restrains it to just being noise. |
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| ▲ | AlanYx 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a confluence of two things: (i) Canada's government policy community tends to be heavily influenced by legislative trends in the UK/Aus/NZ; this particular one is almost a direct import from the UK's ill-advised Online Safety Act, though worse in some ways, and (ii) a series of Canadian Supreme Court decisions, most notably 2024's Bykovets, which the security intelligence apparatus in Canada feels has totally hamstrung data collection. Both (i) and (ii) have led the government to this dark place, thinking they're doing good. |
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| ▲ | EmbarrassedHelp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think there could also be some lobbying from Canadian Centre for Child Protection (C3P). C3P's site is filled with anti-encryption and anti-privacy disinformation, and they are a major Chat Control lobbyist in the EU. They are also currently trying to kill the Tor Project by attacking anyone who funds it. | | |
| ▲ | bdamm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's hardly surprising. I assume C3P is staffed by parents who have lost their kids. One can hardly blame them for trying to subvert privacy. Frankly their presence is a good thing; the more people who lose their kids to creeps, the stronger the social reaction to preventing that should be. But factually I suspect we're almost as safe as we've ever been, so thankfully, their voices aren't too loud. | | |
| ▲ | qball 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's LPC policy to listen to these kinds of lobby groups, no matter how unhinged they might be. A significant participant in a lobby group with similar aims, Nathalie Provost, is actually a sitting MP in Quebec. |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > led the government to this dark place, thinking they're doing good. I'll take the other end of the bet claiming that they think they are doing good. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing full well, and it ain't good. | | |
| ▲ | AlanYx 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm in the middle. I have some sympathy for the Canadian intelligence community's perspective here; in recent years, much intelligence potentially preventing major criminal public safety incidents has had to come through five eyes partners because the legal situation for domestic collection has become unworkable. CSIS refers to the situation as "going dark", which is an unfortunate US terminological import. That being said, C-22 goes way beyond what would be halfway reasonable to solve the main issues in a fair and rights-respecting way, and I have absolutely no sympathy for the reasoning and goals imported from the UK's Online Safety Act. |
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| ▲ | Izikiel43 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Both (i) and (ii) have led the government to this dark place, thinking they're doing good. You can summarize a lot of government actions of any spectrum with: "The road to hell is full of good intentions" | | |
| ▲ | ordu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | When I was young I believed this was the explanation. I though I was smart and everyone else (with politicians at the top of the list) are stupid. But then I learned humility, and I don't believe in good intentions anymore. They can claim good intentions, and mostly they do, but their motives are far from anything that can be called "good intentions". They are not stupid, you know. They just try hard to look stupid. The more stupid politician looks like, the more chances he is just pretending to avoid responsibility. The purpose of their actions is exactly what they get as the result. If they succeed of course. |
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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What a deeply troubled time. It's accelerating so fast. All this age verification/surveillance shit is intensifying super fast. Meanwhile personal computing is being savagely destroyed, as consumer channels to ram and storage disappear. It's so bad. These people need to be punished. This is so so so unacceptable and the forces for state intrusion into all digital systems and pervasive survelliance have gotten so so so far in the past couple years. |
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| ▲ | themafia 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Usually? Money. There's an exceptional amount of money to be had in creating the new digital feudal state. Given that most everyday digital technology is in the hands of a few powerful monopolies they feel they have the opportunity to actually pull this off. |
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| ▲ | briandw 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is clearly a government power grab, not a corporate one. | | |
| ▲ | themafia an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's not clear to me. Can you please elaborate on how it is to you? In particular I'm interested as to how you've fully excluded corporations from involvement. To me, I don't believe you can have one without the other, in particular since so much of this power grab requires the instruments of corporations in order to accomplish. If _either one_ of Google or Apple said "we're not implementing these draconian controls, sue us" it would be over. It is interesting they're willing to use this tactic when it comes to protecting their app stores or in-game purchase streams but not when it comes to clear undemocratic overreach. To be clear I'm not suggesting this is a natural outcome of capitalism in general, just that, in the wake of extreme monopolization, the current crop of mega corporations have become insulated from competitive reality, and are therefore hopelessly corrupt. They're willingly allowing their technology stacks to be used by the government in this way in exchange for the opportunities it affords them and the lack of enforcement it creates. |
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| ▲ | fidotron 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Because we've removed the ability for anyone non-evil to succeed politically. |