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an0malous 4 hours ago

It's great except the war is obviously for Israel not oil, we had more access to oil before the war

lopsotronic an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think it might be even worse than that. It's a war for nothing at all.

A defense analyst said, "we can't be sure that the administration has met their war aims" and it made me scream at the radio. What aims? They didn't even bother making something up. At least Bush 2 respected us well enough to lie. I have no idea what any of this is supposed to accomplish.

You're watching a nuclear power putter around a marina with fifty brawling toddlers climbing all over the tiller.

Henchman21 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Once again I’ll say: the purpose is clear, you just don’t want to admit it. The point is to destroy the US.

namuol 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oil prices going up is “good” for petrol states who aren’t blocked.

But yeah fair callout about Israel.

han1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They say Palantir israeli good software ;)

epistasis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well oil is frequently trotted out as a reason to do this, so we certainly can't take oil out of the discussion, whether it feels like it's an obvious bad reason or not.

It's been all throughout the news throughout March and April, here's some examples (please excuse the LLM summary, but summarizing lots of repetitive news links is actually one thing that LLMs do not hallucinate on often):

> March 29-30, 2026: Trump told the Financial Times that his "preference would be to take the oil" and discussed seizing Kharg Island, which handles over 90% of Iran's oil exports.

> April 3, 2026: In a social media post, he claimed that with more time, the U.S. could "OPEN THE HORMUZ STRAIT, TAKE THE OIL, & MAKE A FORTUNE".

> April 6, 2026: At the White House Easter Egg Roll, Trump told reporters, "If I had my choice, I'd keep the oil," but noted that he hadn't fully done so because he wanted to "make the people of our country happy" who wanted the war to end

March 29 - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-pre...

April 3 - Trump posting on social media https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-makes-cryptic-social-media-2...

April 6 - https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/06/trump-says-he-would...

an0malous 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They’ve also said it was to stop their nuclear weapons program, the same program they said they destroyed at the beginning of the year.

They additionally said it was to free the Iranian people from the oppressive regime, and later said we would end their civilization if they don’t agree to a cease fire.

I’m sure obtaining their oil is a goal, but it’s not their primary goal.

epistasis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well even "a" goal is a big change from "obviously not".

Historians will debate the true reasons for this invasion, but in the end I think they'll conclude it's just the random actions of a very incompetint and not very intelligent person that acts with pure id.

an0malous 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If I go to the supermarket for groceries and fill up the gas in my car to get there, my goal wasn’t to get gas, it was to get groceries.

The historians are already saying this war is for Israel, that’s what John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are saying. I’m sure the companies that produce the textbooks will find a way to say how it’s all rather more complicated than that though.

captainbland 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean it's not clear the current state of things was the ambition before the war, a while back they were talking about seizing Kharg island which indicates capturing oil resources was an objective

athrowaway3z 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No - it indicates gross incompetence of the people in charge of the war and its communication.

Any media worth its salt spend a brief time explaining why invading Kharg would mean mass US casualties, while having no critical objectives only achievable by seizing Kharg.

If one of your media sources only echoed "reports of the US looking to seize Kharg island" without that context it was wasting your time for attention.

an0malous 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The oil is a secondary objective to keep markets stable so there’s less dissent domestically, the primary objective is to weaken Iran so that Israel can continue their expansion in the Middle East with less resistance. Their goal for decades now has been to become a world power like the US, Russia, and China and they manipulate US foreign policy to achieve these aims. This isn’t even a secret, you could read the Clean Break memo or read Israeli news where they talk about this somewhat openly.

The war will continue at least up to elections, maybe longer since Zionism has bipartisan support in the US, but they’ll at least have to change the messaging or approach somehow. These ceasefire negotiations are a farce and will invariably fall through. The US will get no benefits and the spin will be how incompetent the Trump administration is for creating another quagmire but there was never anything for the US to gain from this and the real objective of exhausting the US military resources to undermine Iran will have been achieved. They ideally would still like to install the descendant of the last Shah as the new prime minister, but if that can’t be accomplished they’ll just reset the Iranian civilization back 20 years by destroying infrastructure, oil fields, and killing influential and popular leaders.

The only redeeming factor of the Trump admin is that they are genuinely incompetent so this hidden hand influencing our foreign policy is more apparent but they’re not so incompetent to have started a war they have nothing to gain from.

engineer_22 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Trump meeting with China this week, China maybe part of the calculus