| ▲ | dwa3592 4 hours ago |
| I understand it is a complicated calculation but to me personally, inflation feels much more than that. I have been tracking the price of milk. Around 3 months ago, i was getting a gallon of milk at $2.97, then it went up to 3.07, then 3.25. Yesterday I paid 3.40. That's like 15% gain on something as basic as milk. All numbers from the same store. |
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| ▲ | runako 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| One thing I have noted during this inflationary period is that individual stores/chains are gaming pricing much more than I remember before. For example, your store might be competing for business using the headline price of eggs and making it up on milk and bread. In our city, Whole Foods was the cheapest non-warehouse place to buy eggs for a while. Anecdotally, it looks like one could save a relatively large % on various goods simply by going to a different store, which was not the case a few short years ago. Relative pricing stability appears to have collapsed, shopping is more intellectually-intensive now. |
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| ▲ | dwa3592 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are right and we did shop around for a while to optimize for the best value for the price we were paying. We ended up on a store (Aldi, in this case) which overall had the cheapest basic groceries. | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The problem with shopping at 5 stores to save money on groceries is that with gas prices you're probably not saving money, and if you're not moving around to various stores using any type of energy but kinetic, it is a large opportunity cost that could be spent doing other things, if you even have the time at all. There is no way I could go shop at 5, or even 3 stores a week for food, I simply do not have the time. (Spouse and I both work full-time, 3 kids at 3 different ages going to 3 different schools every day, etc) |
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| ▲ | darth_avocado 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because real inflation that people feel is always much worse than the actual number. No one cares if the TVs got cheaper but everyone cares if milk and eggs are more expensive. The average number will still tell you inflation isn’t that bad. Plus variations in local pricing can affect people much more. Dense cities will see a much higher inflation rate than rural areas. |
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| ▲ | AntiUSAbah 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Inflation itself is not a good metric as soon as you leave the avg. You are on HN, the chance you are part of the american average is very low. That 15% cost is not relevant if you don't drink milk. Its also a lot less if you are able to save money. That money saved might be for something very specific like one specific car or a house. The house market, as far as i understand it, is more decoupled from inflation than not. Here in germany a farm costs still 600k and goes up and down based on location and other factors. My money in the bank doesn't has to be inflation neutral, it should be house market neutral for the money i only want to buy a house for. You can also choose and change your buying power. Instead of the sports car x, you can buy y. Instead of buying the city center house, you can buy the farm outside. |
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| ▲ | dwa3592 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Our household income is less than the US household median. So that price increase on milk does feel a bit more stingy than I'd like to be. | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are on HN, the chance you are part of the american average is very low.
This is a weird statement coming from a German bystander commenting on American politics with the username "Anti-USA". | | |
| ▲ | AntiUSAbah 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why? This is not US politics. Its global politics and it affects me as well. Independent of this, hn is not a platform the avg person is visiting. It requires a certain amount of high tech expertise to understand the conent of hn which statistically pushes the avg hn reader above the avg person. You do know how much impact the USA has around the globe right? right?! | | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are wildly overestimating your own self-worth with the "above the avg person" statement. hn is just a website. People browse and read whatever. | | |
| ▲ | AntiUSAbah 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | the context is it. it requires a certain amount of knowledge and skill. IT people earn above avg. Its not far fetched. |
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| ▲ | dwa3592 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | hey just because I am not making above median/average income doesn't mean I don't have the tech expertise. And HN is not that tech intensive. A movie recommendation for you - Good will hunting. |
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| ▲ | Flatterer3544 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If X goes up in price, then Y and Z will have increased demand, and end up also going up in price.. Just because you don't drink milk, doesn't mean that you'll be unaffected. |
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| ▲ | toasty228 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Inflation numbers are a scam, that's all, really. They apply random multipliers to many products to account for "quality" and "performance", it completely skew the numbers and doesn't reflect the life of most people. They even give you an example showing how the same car but with 3 more speeds, "smartphone integration" and "keyless entry" should be 3.6% inflation but actually counts as 0.6% Same for computers, mobiles, etc. https://www.bls.gov/cpi/quality-adjustment/vehicles.htm https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/wireless-telephone-servic... https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/personal-computers.htm |
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| ▲ | kccqzy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah my large bag of whey protein (derived from milk) went up from $35 to $55. Same store and same brand. |
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| ▲ | tansey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The fed tracks this data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000709112 |
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| ▲ | dominotw 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| milk prices go up and down even outside inflation cycles. how do you know this is inflation. price of milk at your local grocery store in last 3 months is not enough data to attribute causation. |
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| ▲ | dwa3592 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | up and down 15% every 3 months? if that's the case then I take my comment back. I am not super aware of how milk pricing works. | | | |
| ▲ | triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This has serious "the climate changes naturally" energy. | | |
| ▲ | dominotw 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | it doesnt if you care to look for many instances in data where local milk prices didnt reflect broader inflation trends. but you are more interested in making idiotic snarky comments and feel smug. | | |
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| ▲ | kingleopold 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| offical inflation numbers are just LIE and wrongg for decades. Now you see it yourself. Via wrong numbers, they steal trillions |
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| ▲ | laweijfmvo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | you’re not totally wrong but it’s not the outright lie you seem to imply. things like tweaks to the “standard basket” that they claim are in line with consumer preferences, which themselves changed because of inflation, for example, are one way we get a sort of hidden shrink flation. | | |
| ▲ | spwa4 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh the reason it is a lie, of course, is not so much the number itself but the fact that it gets redefined, most recently with the purpose of a "robust updating". The new definition of inflation, of course, always seem to define inflation lower. I seem to have read an article that states that by the 1980s measure inflation hit 15%. Other alternative measures go the same way, with the famous big mac index crossing 10%. In Europe, they seem to do the same, but seem more fans of actually falsifying the underlying figures (like the LIBOR incident, which turned out to raise mortgage payment yet lower inflation) Asian central banks (by which we mean China) do it yet another way. They simply declare inflation, 4 years ahead of time, to be a certain value. Then inflation is that value. Of course, last time "for some reason" the economic measures that made up the definition of inflation were suddenly declared state secrets. Of course this may just be the banks moving at different speeds. Europe used to fix it's inflation problems by redefining what inflation was. They moved on to falsifying data. I guess that's just what's in the FED's future. | |
| ▲ | toasty228 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But it is a lie, all the basics are skyrocketing and all the useless tech gadgets are getting cheaper (or better, which counts as deflation for them). If food is 30% more expensive but cars/TVs are 0% more expensive but 10 times "better" you get an overall "3% inflation" They adopted a new way to adjust inflation in 1990, and since then everything has been perfect lmao: https://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-cpi.gif?hl=ad&t= | |
| ▲ | chromatin 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I disagree and think GP poster is right on the money. There are many ways in which inflation numbers are cooked; just one of them is the hedonic adjustment [1]. Others include an un-representative basket of goods. The basket of goods is adjusted every 2 years, but not necessarily in a way that mirrors the way real households adapt their spending patterns to increased prices. Owner equivalent rent (LOL) massively lags behind home prices. Honestly, when 10s or hundreds of millions of people's perception does not match *Official Government Numbers*, then it's reason to suspect that the official numbers are a poor metric. [1] https://www.bls.gov/cpi/quality-adjustment/ |
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