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| ▲ | joshlemer 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| This argument is lacking nuance. Just because there are some instances of paternalism one is prepared to accept, doesn't mean that every possible paternalist policy is always okay. Being in favour of some instances but not all, is not a logical inconsistency. We can talk about each instance on a case by case basis. |
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| ▲ | pibaker 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seatbelt laws have very limited impact outside vehicle safety. Nor does it open a slippery slope that leads to buses and trains and elevators and dining chairs and beds getting their own seatbelts. Regulation on speech threatens the basis of democracy. The fact that the countries pushing them most successfully (UK, Australia) are also the ones with serious freedom of speech problems compared to their Western peers should also tell you that no, they will not stop at throwing you in jail for memes on twitter. |
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| ▲ | 0dayz 2 days ago | parent [-] | | But speech is not the same as design you're conflating two things and making it a non sequitur. |
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| ▲ | jayGlow 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| personally yes, that kind of choice should belong to the individual not the government. besides that though the laws are nonsensical why is a seatbelt required in a car not not in a bus, why are motorcycles even allowed at all? |
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| ▲ | moooo99 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This argument falls apart for countries with socialized healthcare. As long as all people are paying for your dumb decisions, it is reasonable to expect the government to reduce the frequency of dumb decisions by adequate means. | | |
| ▲ | joshlemer 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I notice that these sorts of justifications for increased paternalism as a consequence of socialized services come up in public discourse all the time but never seems to be mentioned by advocates when proposing these socialized systems. It should be mentioned up front as a significant cost as part of the package, it comes with strings attached like the government telling you how to live your life. Interesting that people don't seem to want to mention that up front. | | |
| ▲ | phainopepla2 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I support socialized medicine and I completely agree with you, we should be honest about the fact that it requires some level of regulatory coercion to work well. |
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| ▲ | atomicUpdate 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Enforcing a healthy diet and exercise would have a vastly larger impact than any seatbelt laws in terms of reducing health care costs. Seatbelts and smoking always seem to be about as far as the advocates are willing to go though. |
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| ▲ | kgwxd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes. And I always wear my seat belt. |
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| ▲ | nekusar 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yes, I do. Its just another way that cops can pull you over for bullshit charges and revenue enhancement. I remember in my state, it was initially only a citation that couldnt be pulled over on. Then they flipped that and started pulling over for it. Why? Pure fucking money grab. Me not wearing a seatbelt means I risk getting splattered. Not you, or anyone else. |
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| ▲ | foobarian 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Me not wearing a seatbelt means I risk getting splattered. Not you, or anyone else. Except who pays for your million-dollar reconstructive surgery and rehab? I don't suppose you will cover that out of pocket to avoid burdening your fellow insurance payers with your reckless behavior? | |
| ▲ | aeve890 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Me not wearing a seatbelt means I risk getting splattered. Not you, or anyone else. Physics says otherwise. In a collision you don't decide where you body is yeeted and your skull could end inside the skull of a passenger using his seatbelt. Don't be a moron.
https://youtube.com/shorts/n2yLMGA_YSA?si=AlvRgfpb-PJxGCBw | |
| ▲ | wackget 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This cannot be a genuine take from a real person. | | | |
| ▲ | chinathrow 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is this satire? | | |
| ▲ | nekusar 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Is school busses without seatbelts satire? Are motorcycles without seatbelts or harnesses satire? All im saying is that an adult should be able to choose to wear a seatbelt or not in their own vehicle. And also, shouldnt get fined for choosing to not wear one. BTW, i wear one when i drive or am a passenger. And if im driving, i ask everyone to wear one. | | |
| ▲ | chinathrow 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > All im saying is that an adult should be able to choose to wear a seatbelt or not in their own vehicle. Millions of deaths and injuries avoided as a result of seatbelts obligatory in many countries around the world do not share your world view. https://unece.org/sustainable-development/news/unece-celebra... | | |
| ▲ | nekusar 2 days ago | parent [-] | | So, you dont care about children on schoolbusses? None of them have seatbelts. And motorcycles are explicitly allowed, and have no restraints or harnesses. Mopeds, same. Scooters, same. Bicycles, same. Adults *should* have the right to do risky behaviors that increases the risk of bodily injury. But no matter the link you put forth, doesnt explain why fucking schoolbusses that transport years 6-18 dont have seatbelts. |
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