| ▲ | Pesthuf 3 days ago |
| Tell me: why are these algorithms suddenly okay when the victim turns 18? They are bad for everyone and if you’re willing to regulate them, make them illegal to be used on anyone. |
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| ▲ | poszlem 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because, in general, we see adults making bad choices as a price worth paying in a free society, but we recognize that children lack the maturity and judgment to make those choices for themselves. Most adults also lack the maturity and judgement, but allowing adults to make bad decisions is usually less dangerous than giving someone else the power to decide which decisions are too bad to permit. |
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| ▲ | nomel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because I'm an adult, rather than a sheep for you to control, and I much prefer being shown things in my interest (via recommendation alg) rather than things in the general populations interest. In fact, I wish I could upload my own recommendation model to all the social media, to curate it better, and put some black holes near topics I want to avoid, with the option to fuzz it a bit for exploration. |
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| ▲ | 0dayz 2 days ago | parent [-] | | And saving these locally doesn't work for you or something? And use "localized" social media for the rest? | | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > And use "localized" social media for the rest? How would this work exactly? How do you speak to people offline? | | |
| ▲ | 0dayz 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Sms? Signal and discord is more localized | | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon a day ago | parent [-] | | But what about the actual content? People aren't scared of social media because you can message people, it's because of the short form videos. How are you supposed to have an offline version of that? | | |
| ▲ | 0dayz a day ago | parent [-] | | That's the point? Social media is simply share x thing with either the world or a group of people or an individual. The issue is when that is manipulated into you need to spend more time on them artificially. | | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Social media is simply share x thing with either the world or a group of people or an individual. Get rid of the very site you're on then? > issue is when that is manipulated into you need to spend more time on them artificially Yeah, like how hn has an algorithm that ranks stories to maximise engagement... obviously this is not bad but somehow tiktok is bad |
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| ▲ | slumberlust a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They aren't, but the narrative around kids is easier to sell and the next logical step is the one you are already taking. Baby steps. |
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| ▲ | Mashimo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just from this article it's not clear if the methods like endless scrolling or "watch next video" are going to be regulated based on user age or not. It just says the platform who use such methods, often target kids. |
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| ▲ | palata 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same as for the cigarette: it's a lot easier to regulate stuff for kids, because we as a society tend to agree that they need to be protected. Much harder to do with adults, because it is much less of a consensus. |
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| ▲ | bcjdjsndon 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Much harder to do with adults, because it is much less of a consensus. It's because humans are motivated primarily by fear, not logic. The exact same moral panic was made about fuckin printed books. This is all hysteria, just like the TV is evil phase everyone went through. Proof of this is that nobody can even agree what social media is, let alone point to what's actually harmful about it | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent [-] | | > Proof of this is that nobody can even agree And we have even worse examples: it's depressing to see how many people "don't believe" in the principle of vaccination. One may be tempted to say "people don't have the time to become experts in every topic", but when you look at the energy people put into sharing their beliefs around those topics... clearly they would have the time to read a bit. |
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| ▲ | abyssin 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I genuinely wonder if there would be any end user against banning these algorithms. I’d love rss style content providers back. Just let me freely subscribe to accounts. | |
| ▲ | ZetsuBouKyo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The ban is meant to protect kids, but secondhand smoke is almost everywhere. |
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| ▲ | xboxnolifes 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The idea is that underdeveloped brains are less capable to make correct choices. Why do we suddenly make people responsible for their actions at 18? |
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| ▲ | owenpalmer 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Smoking has entered the chat |
