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copper-float an hour ago

No DEI is a good thing. People should be hired on merit, not to meet an arbitrary diversity quota. Not sure how anyone can disagree on that point.

I say this as a person that qualifies for these DEI programs (a disability at birth). I wouldn't want to be hired based on something so meaningless. It would be insulting.

noelsusman 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There's no such thing as merit-based hiring.

perching_aix 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the idea is that each letter in there is considered a merit, hence why it's always discussed under the "core values" section. That is to say, they're properties that they supposedly value, next to technical excellence, team fit, being a spitfire, whatever.

And that the discussed-to-death diversity hiring quotas are not its entirety, or even necessarily a part, of it.

Merit not being a threshold but a range in actuality probably also plays a role (along with how utter theater the typical job interview really is).

> I wouldn't want to be hired based on something so meaningless.

But that's kinda the point of it all, isn't it? That it's supposed to be empowering the disadvantaged / marginalized. If your background does not put you at a disadvantage, there's nothing to compensate for, then it would indeed be meaningless. But if there is, and you made it, then that is by definition extraordinary. So it is meaningful.

There's definitely a question about whether they'd be stealing your thunder by this, but I'll leave that to an actual aficionado of the topic. Not exactly the expert on all this.

rdevilla 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

> That it's supposed to be empowering the disadvantaged / marginalized.

I was born Canadian. The CAD (before "you'll forgive me if I don't think about monetary policy" [0]) and Canadian passport are (were) exorbitant privileges that come for free as a consequence of this. I had the time to obsess over computers as a middle class kid, and went to a good school for compsci. The admissions process at that time had zero mention of race or DIE bullshit.

But just because I am not white, I am automatically "disadvantaged" and "marginalized." You don't know shit about computing, you're one of THOSE minorities! We need to give you a boost because you can't actually do anything on your own.

Nobody believes that you are competent when whites are manifestly hiring you not for your skills, but your race. I might as well be another fake vibe coder "identifying" as a software engineer with a hallucinated CV.

It's insulting. You're going to pass judgment about my merits and competence, whether or not I am "disadvantaged" or "marginalized," purely based on my race and my appearance as a "visible minority"?

That's fucking racist. Progressivism, and its obsession with race, is racist. Your "good intentions" don't justify racism, no matter how hard you torture the English language into asserting that 2 + 2 = 5, freedom is slavery, and men are women. Go to hell.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VOLChLKG4