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187 points by tokenburner 8 hours ago | 52 comments
riedel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Replacing ads reminds me of the eye tap AR stuff by Steve Mann

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44406552

walrus01 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

These days he's helping to remediate polluted waterways

https://cottagelife.com/general/this-toronto-professor-took-...

dostick 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cool idea!the font weight should be extra/heavy, and not true black, dark gray.

kilna an hour ago | parent [-]

The heavier weights of League Spartan would be a good match.

robot-wrangler 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Watch it if you haven't already. I accidentally landed in the middle of it while doing some illicit late night channel surfing when I was a kid.. this left quite an impression.

I think it was a healthy formative influence for me and primed me for rejecting fads / peer pressure, distrusting authority, etc. Probably also helped me to resist the more unhealthy aspects of a religious time/place, and I was even doing light reading on Cartesian skepticism a few years later, which got me into math. Didn't figure out the name of the movie until years later when it was a big meme.

This is not advice but I definitely advise you to show your small children this movie before they are old enough to think it's corny. They may have a schizophrenic episode or descend into solipsism sure, but they may also get scared as hell by monsters and learn some mental judo, and thank you for it later.

HerbManic 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What I find funny (only not really) is the wildly different interpretations of this film people have, for many they seem to be primed by other things to see in it what they want.

Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for.

Alas, once your works are in the wild it is out of the creators control in how they end up being used.

JuniperMesos 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for.

Say what you will about claiming that the Jews secretly control the world like the aliens in the 1988 John Carpenter movie They Live, the people making this claim are certainly not obeying, conforming, or refraining from questioning authority.

robot-wrangler 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's interesting right? Now there's too much distrust of authority and also not enough. Even the word "skeptic" is sometimes used to refer to people who "do their own research" and doggedly latch on to wild conspiracy theories.

Avoiding groupthink is another slightly different positive spin on (my read of) the underlying message. There's such a thing as toxic individualism too, but if there's a "bad" way to be a free-thinker then you could say it usually has a pretty limited blast radius for society in general and it isn't a contagious kind of madness either

qsera 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>wild conspiracy theories.

Do you know the difference between a conspiracy "nut", and a rational person?

For a "conspiracy nut", understanding that there is sufficient incentive (also implies a lack of deterrent) for X to do Y is proof enough that X is doing Y.

For a "mainstream" person, that is not enough. They require real, solid proof to consider that X is doing Y.

Note that this is about deciding their own behavior, and not about handing capital punishment for X.

I ll let you decide who is smarter...

M95D 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A "mainstream" person can also consider past evidence of A, B and C doing Y and assume that X is doing Y too without any evidence about Y.

jjcob an hour ago | parent [-]

"Mainstream" people will also look at past evidence that A, B and C did Y, and say something like "that was N years ago, surely nobody would do this today".

robot-wrangler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure you can purely talk about "is the motivation likely?" and end up with qanon stuff. This leaves out motivated reasoning coming from the rube, plus a bunch of other things like narratives that are sufficiently fun / scandalous /surprising

aa-jv 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The difference is that one follows the collective/reactive order of things, and the other doesn't.

"Everyone knows" is the greatest conspiracy of all. Its quite possible to be a 'nut' simply by referring to what "everyone knows" ... this is a thought-stopping meme designed to end challenge to authority, since "everyone" is the ultimate authority.

latexr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you know the difference between a conspiracy "nut", and a rational person?

The former is trivially manipulated, can be made to believe anything by appealing to their inherent obvious biases, and will double down on their beliefs even when presented with irrefutable proof to the contrary. The latter can detect false dichotomies, understands answers are often nuanced instead of black and white, and is capable of changing their mind when new evidence comes to light.

secretsatan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Looking at conspiracy nuts joining ice and gleefully celebrating unidentified armed goons abducting people, i think they more likely think, well, i would do y, so they must be doing it against me.

huijzer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> extreme far-right communities

Extreme libertarian seems a more apt description for those groups since they severely distrust government often also criticizing Trump and Netanyahu for example.

Nasrudith an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Meanwhile I've personally found myself completely unable to take it seriously due to the subliminal messages being "marry and reproduce" and "consume". Like people need sinister brainwashing to fall in love, have sex, or engage in hedonistic consumption. These are base biological urges that have existed regardless of societal economy for millennia! By casting it as something from a sinister conspiracy it makes the creator come across as someone completely insane from being so swallowed by their ideology. The sheer ridiculousness of it it brings to mind the "Mortal Engines" series and its incredibly dumb basic premise and the critical panning that it received. The lesson being, that just because something is an allegory or metaphor doesn't prevent it from being so incredibly stupid that it completely derails the message it is trying to send. Imagine if the billboards instead said.

I recognize that this is certainly a minority view given how influential the film is. But I just plain cannot unsee it, like a Lovecraftian revelation and that ruins it for me from the start. Short of thinking Jodie Foster is talking to you through screens, it is very hard to look like an outright unhinged anti-Reaganist given the many legitimate things to object to about the man and his policies. Even if you agree with some of it, you can easily see where others would reasonably disagree. But this 'basic urges are part of a sinister conspiracy' sort of message? This managed to do it.

aa-jv 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, thats the point of the movie - human beings' most banal desires can be and are weaponized against them.

That you reject the entire premise of the movie because you can't "get over" this particular aspect, just means you've got your own loaded revolver in your pocket.

MagicMoonlight an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If it was a basic biological function then the marketing department wouldn’t exist.

riffraff 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My dad pitched this movie to me when I was a kid, as he was a Carpenter fan.

Beyond the somewhat "obvious" message (for a grown up) it's just an eminently entertaining movie.

shrubby 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice pitch. I'll stream it right away!

I've been watching Andor as a instructional manual recently and this seems like a good addition to the reality based manuals out there.

Idiocracy, War INC etc.

IdiotSavage an hour ago | parent [-]

I'd like to add this to the list:

Die fetten Jahre sind vorbei / The Edukators

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408777

flomo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

spoiler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN8Z7y_QcwE

geek_at 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Seems not to be available in europe "The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

Joel_Mckay 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"They live" was a cult classic, and great fun if you were a Roddy Piper fan.

Other entertaining films =3

"The Great Dictator" (Charlie Chaplin, 1940)

https://archive.org/details/the-great-dictator-disc-01-title...

"Day the Earth Stood Still" (1951)

https://archive.org/details/day-the-earth-stood-still-1951

"Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" (1956)

https://archive.org/details/invasionofthebodysnatchers1956_2...

"The Man in the White Suit" (1951)

https://archive.org/details/the-man-in-the-white-suit_202105

"The Twilight Zone" (1959)

https://archive.org/details/the-twilight-zone-1959-s-01-e-00...

https://archive.org/details/the-twilight-zone-1959-s-01-e-00...

https://archive.org/details/the-twilight-zone-1959-s-03-e-15...

https://archive.org/details/the-twilight-zone-1959-s-03-e-15...

throwaway2037 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For any one not familiar with this cult classic film from the 1980s, you can view the trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeB3vdxF_jM

In short, aliens have invaded earth, but wear a special skin to appear human. To average people, they appear and sound identical to real humans. The lead character discovers that special sunglasses can show the aliens without their human-like skin. (They look a bit like the aliens from "Mars Attacks".) When wearing the sunglasses, most outdoor adverts are replaced with bland single-party-state-style propaganda encouraging people to consume, work hard, and follow the rules.

I can honestly say that the trailer does no justice for the film. It is much better than the trailer. When I saw first saw this, I was genuinedly spooked. One half of the film is good fun 1980s alien invasion beat 'em up, and the other half is a thoughtful commentary on the age of consumerism.

yard2010 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There is a good video that this cool philosopher made, I can't remember the name.. zazik?

Edit: Slavoj Žižek. As always, phenomenal and humble take.

"I’m already eating from the trashcan all the time, the name of this trashcan is... ideology"

Slavoj Žižek on "They Live" (The Pervert's Guide to Ideology) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwKjGbz60k

euroderf 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd say it's got more than a bit of documentary, considering current progress in terraforming.

deng 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh the irony: "They Live", a movie famously about alienation and dehumanization, and you let AI do all the coding.

xnx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Interacting with a computer in natural language is much more human than typing in special codes and punctuation.

deng 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So telling someone to make a table for you is more human than making it yourself, because you're using natural language instead of saws and hand planes?

GCUMstlyHarmls 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I would say yes, conversing between two humans, maybe even collaborating, is more human than a solitary human using inanimate objects.

anthk 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Even if the table collapses down badly instead of doing a proper one with a good set of tools?

speed_spread 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The human world is full of special codes and obscure gestures that only have meaning if provided in the right sequence to the right people. Computer programming being documented and formalized makes it more accessible than many social circles.

dang 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What if it wouldn't get done otherwise?

(Genuine question as we're all trying to figure this shit out)

deng 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think we can agree that this is not something anybody will actually use, but rather an homage to "They Live", and IMHO, letting this be done by AI is in contrast to the basic premise of the movie.

andai 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What's the premise of the movie? I thought it was about psyops.

(Also interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians.)

dolebirchwood 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That argument could be taken to any extreme at the end of the day. They Live, at its core, is a commentary on unrestrained capitalism. You could fault OP for using a Google browser. You could fault OP for using a Microsoft cloud repository. The line may be blurrier than one thinks...

d3ng an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think this is false dichotomy. It's been a while since actually empowering and encouraging humans was considered normal and attempted at scale. But not that long. How quick we forget. I think it's worth getting back to.

akkartik 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never found the Matrix very impressive, because I'd been inoculated by this movie.

anthk 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

UBo Lite pales against the original UBo, it doesn't matter if it's a cool fork.

tlhunter 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My personal tagline, "I came here to kick ass, build web applications, and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of gum." came from this movie.

DeathArrow 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And Duke Nukem.

hnlmorg an hour ago | parent [-]

That “kick ass & chew gum” line has been hugely borrowed, reused and parodied many times throughout the following decades since the release of this movie.

In fact the whole movie is almost a parody of itself now due to how many scenes have since become a meme.

sdenton4 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I came here to kick ass and deploy microservices... And I'm all out of ass.

GCUMstlyHarmls 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I came here to shitpost and deploy microservices... and github is down.

minisini 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I LOVE for someone to make a version of this for Apple Vision Pro. In fact I would put down $500.

rickdeckard an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A $500 app for those $1000+ glasses which shuts people off from reality and create the impression for others that they look into their eyes (while in fact looking at a rendering of your eyes).

There's some irony in here somewhere...

HerbManic 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If AR ever makes it big, I think we have the first ad blocking idea already fleshed out. Would be kind of fun to see.

xnx 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An idea probably as old as ad blockers themselves. Here's one from 8 years ago: https://imgur.com/i-wear-sunglasses-night-uF4fy42

iririririr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

on the same line, but less pop meme replacements

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/artificial-cl...

it replaces terms used to exalt Artificial Intelligence to what they really mean, and some tongue in cheek jokes against things that are used to pass billionaires/tech as friendly (e.g. replacing bill gates with his actual name)

logicprog an hour ago | parent [-]

That's so obnoxiously stupid and annoying, wow.