| ▲ | peteforde 11 hours ago |
| I had to click, because it turns out that I love soldering. It's relaxing and has a skill curve such that there's a trick to it but with a bit of practice, you can be someone who is really good at soldering, too. For anyone reading, the key is to invest in a proper stereo microscope and a decent fume extractor. I recommend this one: https://www.strangeparts.com/a-boy-and-his-microscope-a-love... If you're up for a bit of a bonus round, I absolutely love my Pixel Pump. https://shop.robins-tools.com/products/pixel-pump I picked up a used Ninja toaster oven and hacked a https://reflowmasterpro.com/ to it. I also modified the plans for Stencil Fix to make it substantially bigger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am3ztQIkss0 So, I do a fair bit of both reflow and hand SMD soldering at this point, depending on what the situation calls for. It's great fun. |
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| ▲ | sandreas 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Starting with soldering, I find these 200$+ recommendations (regardless of which tool) hard to justify. # Soldering iron I'd recommend the Pinecil V2 with IronOS.
https://github.com/Ralim/IronOS # Solder fume extraction I've built a simple fume extraction with an old plastic case, a 120mm fan and a sheet of carbon filter attached to a 120mm dryer / air conditioning hose. Around 15$ and good enough for soldering from time to time. # "Microscope" I simply use a strong (10x) magnifier glass with a LED ring (around 15$ on Amazon). I can't tell you how often I also used this thing for other purposes. # Desoldering Pump Because I needed it (beginners won't) I bought a ZD-8965 for 100 bucks and I'm very happy with this thing. I have whole list of cheap beginner to intermediate equipment, that'll do until you solder (semi) professionally. |
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| ▲ | eviks 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | With you overall, but given the toxicity of the fumes some quality / rated fume extraction might be the one area where cheap/self made item isn't worth it | | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you're doing it a lot, then it's definitely worth making sure it works properly. If you're doing it occasionally, just make sure the area is well ventilated and you're not outright inhaling the fumes coming off the solder, and it's not likely to make any real difference to the health of your lungs. | |
| ▲ | DANmode 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Understatement. |
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| ▲ | torginus 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've had bad experiences with USB irons, they generally don't have stellar compatibilty with USB power banks, and when your 60W iron can only draw 20W from your 100W power bank or PSU (but sometimes it works). They even come with these compatibility wikis of what PSU or bank to buy. | |
| ▲ | Rekindle8090 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | summa_tech 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you don't have space for a microscope, you can also get yourself the long-range (~400mm) 2.5-3.5x magnifiers that you may have seen your dentist wear. They're easily available on Amazon, not too expensive, and comfortable for hours of wearing. These are 2-element lenses that work really well. Higher magnification variants (8x etc) are not nearly as comfy. They get quite long, heavy and expensive. I tried them and did not like them nearly as much. Also beware of short viewing distance, ultra-cheap products that are just a single lens element per eye. |
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| ▲ | dtgriscom 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have a Donegan DA-5 OptiVisor Headband Magnifier. They're nice, because the lenses are prism'd so that you can focus on something close without having to go cross-eyed. | |
| ▲ | stavros 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a great tip, I use a loupe and it works amazingly well. Cost maybe $10? | | |
| ▲ | jrumbut 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh yeah, I'm sure that $300 microscope comes in handy but a cheap loupe gets you started. I've found all sorts of other uses for it too. |
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| ▲ | thenthenthen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Havent clicked but I LOVE SOLDERING! It’s relaxing, gives a real sense of creating something. Yes even soldering hundreds of the same units every day feels just so gratifying somehow… the way you get better and faster every unit, having this batch of new shiny things lined up, giving ‘life’ to otherwise inert pieces of a puzzle. Yes. |
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| ▲ | James72689 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree it seems like it could be fun. I think I am a bit paranoid about the hazardous chemicals and risk of a burns when using a traditional iron. From what I understand reading the comments, it's gotten much smoother with stencils, SMD, ovens, and so on. |
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| ▲ | raomin 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Me too I love soldering. And actually, it's one of the few things that I like more and more, as I realize I've developed a real craftmanship from it. And thank you! I've been looking for a recommendation of a stereo microscope for a long time! |
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| ▲ | floxy 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >It's relaxing and has a skill curve such that there's a trick to it but with a bit of practice, you can be someone who is really good at soldering, too. There is a similar vibe with TIG welding as well. |
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| ▲ | erwincoumans 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Agreed on stereo microscope, also suggest flux and a good iron with exchangeable tips and hot tweezers (I enjoy the Hakko). |
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| ▲ | wrs 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The new breed of irons with temperature measurement built into the tip (invented by JBC, cloned by Geeboon and similar) is amazing. The tip heats to exactly the temp you want in 3 seconds, then cools down to avoid damage when you put it back in the stand. As you solder, the power is automatically controlled to keep the tip at the specified temp regardless of the load you put on it. I never thought I'd replace the Weller station I've used for 20 years, but I'm glad I did. Edit: For a specific recommendation, look for the Geeboon TC22 on AliExpress or Amazon. Don’t forget the tips, you may need to get them separately. | | |
| ▲ | peteforde 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Share a link! Don't be shy. | | |
| ▲ | torginus 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I have bought the TC22 after going on r/Soldering and can only stand by the recommendation, its an amazing iron for hobbyists and its ability to put tons of power on a tiny area quickly means basically its 100% easier to work with than a ton of cheap irons, and have a much lower chance of killing components than dicking around with less powerful ones and staying on the pin a long time trying to heat it up while it wicks heat away into sensitive electronics. Doubly so when I mess it up or the solder is not fully melted. Another nice thing is with powerful irons you don't have to overshoot the melting temp of solder as much, and tips with less thermal mass in general can be used. Im a rank amateur so take what I said with a grain of salt. With that said, I have made several cool things in my life that many people've said I could charge money for. I guess you can't really see the mess I made when you can't look inside the housing :) I've purchased it from the GEEBOON Store on Aliexpress (no affiliate or anything just looked up my order history): https://geeboontools.aliexpress.com/store/1103439446 All being said you might not be comfortable with supporting the Chinese clone industry, and I can understand that. | |
| ▲ | omgtehlion 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | any c245 will do (JBC is the best and original, but clones are close) |
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| ▲ | ssl-3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It heats to exactly the temperature I want in 3 seconds? Is there evidence to support this claim? (My bullshit detector is making some rather profound gurgling sounds.) edit: Seriously, my dudes. Links, or it never happened. Anecdotes are just anecdotes. Anecdotally, my soldering iron heats up very quickly as well and I'm very pleased with this, but I'm not making a claim that it heats to an exact, unspecified user-selected temperature in 3 seconds. If you want to present a benchmark, then please present the bench -- with the mark. | | |
| ▲ | Doxin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can make no claims as to the brands mentioned in the parent post, but a 3 second heating time isn't all that fast for a real nice soldering iron. Previous job had an iron that'd heat between you picking it up and moving it over to the PCB. That one was stupendously expensive from what I heard, but I can only imagine that tech has gotten a lot cheaper since then. | |
| ▲ | cyberax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yup. They specify 3 seconds, but that's for 350C. In my experience, it's always at the right temperature by the time I finish picking it up. It has a 240W power supply, so it's not just marketing. |
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| ▲ | peteforde 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can't imagine not using flux! I have a Hakko FX-888D. It's pretty good, although I wish there was some way to switch tips that didn't involve letting it cool down to a safe handling temperature. I am curious what you mean by rework tweezers. Link please! Another link for folks: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B077BQWMTY I go through these for solder flux removal like crazy, in combination with an aerosol can of MG Chemicals 4140-400G. Sadly, I think that stuff is unobtainium now. | | |
| ▲ | sampullman an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | How ofter are you switching tips? It's been a while since I did any real soldering, but I don't remember often needing to switch in the middle of a session. | |
| ▲ | erwincoumans 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> I am curious what you mean by rework tweezers. Link please! Hakko FM2023-05 Mini Hot Tweezers Kit or Hakko FX8804-02 Hot Tweezer for Hakko FX-888 for example. >> I wish there was some way to switch tips that didn't involve letting it cool down I replace tips while hot: the sleeve is not hot. | | |
| ▲ | throwway120385 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Depends. The ancient Weller that I have has a sleeve you can unscrew but that sucker gets burning hot, and the thumbscrew locks up unless you cool the tip down, which you can do by holding the thing on your wet sponge. |
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| ▲ | rhinoceraptor 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I swap the tips on my Hakko without letting it cool down, I just use a Knipex pliers wrench so I don't burn myself. I keep my spare tips in an altoids tin, so I can drop the hot one in there without burning anything. |
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| ▲ | 3abiton 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Step 1: Have a workshop space
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit |
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| ▲ | TacticalCoder 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's relaxing and has a skill curve such that there's a trick to it but with a bit of practice, you can be someone who is really good at soldering, too. I don't know. I've got my station, not a bad one: bought it with the help of a buddy who's very good at soldering. He tried to show me. I've got no choice: I own an old vintage arcade cab from the mid 80s and it's located in the middle of nowhere, in a rural area. So I have to fix it myself. And oh boy do I suck at it. I watched vids, countless Youtube vids. It's been 10 years and everytime I need to solder something, I still suck at it. I've come to terms with the fact that there are some things I'm good at and that soldering is never ever going to be one of these. And it's okay. And I'm amazed by people who can solder properly. |
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| ▲ | bityard 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but if all of your soldering experience is from parts that came out of a 40 year-old arcade cabinet, don't beat yourself up: that is definitely what I would call soldering in hard mode. Depending on where it lived, everything in it is probably oxidized, corroded and covered in dust, cigarette tar, and possibly cooking oil. Even if you can't see/smell any of it, it's still there. Solder only works well on pristine, clean metals. Some metals are just simply marginal, and don't take solder well even if they were ostensibly designed for it. Flux helps, but can only do so much. The semi-good news is that you should stand a chance if you can clean the bejeezus out of whatever it is your soldering a LOT of alcohol and a stiff brush, and maybe some fine-grit sandpaper. | | |
| ▲ | opan 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Will second this. When modding Xbox 360s, I used MrMario's guides and he would say repeatedly "clean, flux, tin", kinda stuck in my head. I did also tend to just clean the whole board while it was apart, but especially the point you're about to solder should be clean. I have never used sandpaper on electronics, but I perhaps similarly use a fiberglass pen. Total game changer for getting old cartridge pins to read again for SNES and GBA games and such. Highly recommend picking one up. | |
| ▲ | Doxin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A glass fiber pen is my go-to for cleaning groddy pads and pins and the like. Works a treat. |
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| ▲ | ssl-3 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I also get to fix gear in the middle of nowhere, so I'm sympathetic to that plight. I used to watch people with fancy-looking soldering irons working quickly on stuff in repair shops. Some of that was technique ("it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools"), but some of it was definitely the irons they were using. And yet: My first soldering experiences were not very good. The first soldering irons I had, starting 30 years ago or so, were resolutely terrible. I eventually gained a whole assortment of them -- big, medium, small, and ginormous. They were all awful in their own unique ways, and they all lacked a thermostatic temperature control. I got better solder (I've become a big fan of Kester 44 in a eutectic 63/37 mix) fairly early on, which helped a ton. Later, I got better soldering irons. A dozen years ago I bought a Hakko clone temperature-controlled soldering station from an American distributor. It took genuine Hakko tips just fine, and it was better. 5 or 6 years ago, I got a Pinecil v1. I now own two of them: I bought one as a spare in case one broke somehow (it's hard to fix a soldering iron without a soldering iron), but they've both been reliable. It's miles ahead of what I've used before. The v2 should be a bit better yet, but I do not own one of those. They're rather inexpensive. These Pinecil irons weren't available a decade ago. I wish they had been. --- Anyway: With the tools decently in-check, my technique got a lot better in a big hurry. I thought I'd learned to be pretty OK at soldering before with my lackluster tools, but the Pinecil iron (and its consistent temperature, sleep modes, and very quick heat-up) helps me get much better results -- faster. And it's hackable, which (to me) scores some geek points. --- I've come to think that anybody can learn to solder electronics with reasonable proficiency. I've taught people to solder who were sure they couldn't do it, including people who started off by being surprised by how hot the hot-bits are and walking them back from the ledge. As with many other skills, it mostly just takes practice. But that practice should be inconsequential -- it's a lot easier to learn when the result is completely unimportant and inconsequential than on a dear 40-year-old arcade board. To that end: There's ridiculously-inexpensive kits these days that primarily exist just to teach soldering. I learned through-hole the old-fashioned way (by failing), but back then cheap kits didn't exist at the level they do today. :) If you can tell me more about the specific problems you're having with soldering, I can provide links to specific, specific soldering kits that may help. (I can provide hands-on help, too, if you're not too far away. No big deal.) |
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| ▲ | BoredPositron an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| just don't use leaded solder. the absolute obsession of people from NA and lead should be studied. |
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