| ▲ | pedalpete 13 hours ago | |
This completely misses a few large points. 1) Though they are comparing parents specifically, without the baseline of what the hunter-gatherer groups sleep was like without children, are they comparing hunter-gatherer group to industrialized people? Or are they comparing parenting? 50% of people rate their sleep as an F, and another 21% a D grade [1]. That feels likely everyone is failing at sleep, not just parents. 2) specifically in mothers, as motherhood has shifted later in life, the early years with young children are now often overlapping with perimenopause, so mothers are hit with the double whammy of sleep disruption. I blogged about this a few months ago [2] The study is still mostly focused on the antiquated idea that sleep duration is a predictor of sleep quality. The latest research shows sleep regularity is a better predictor of morbidity than sleep duration. I wrote about hot the Neural Function of Sleep dictates this [3]. Studies in shift workers (I can never find the link) shows regularity trumps duration for both subjective sleepiness and cognitive performance. The article does mention the increase in prolactin during breastfeeding, but the tiredness of parenting doesn't only last through the first year (apparently the average of breastfeeding in Australia is 6 months). The hunter-gatherer societies I'm sure breastfeed for longer periods. I work in neurotech/sleeptech as the co-founder of affectablesleep.com and we have a keen focus on parents of young children and specifically enhancing the Neural Function of Sleep, not sleep duration which everyone obsesses over [4]. [1] https://www.thensf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/NSF_SIA_20... [2] https://blog.affectablesleep.com/p/when-childrearing-meets-m... [3] https://blog.affectablesleep.com/p/the-hidden-work-of-sleep-... [4] https://blog.affectablesleep.com/p/try-telling-new-parents-t... | ||
| ▲ | swores 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |
> "That feels likely everyone is failing at sleep, not just parents." This doesn't really mean anything for comparing parents with non-parents, since it's self-reported so "failing" could mean "missing several hours of needed sleep each night" to one person and "failing to hit higher-than-needed sleep target twice a week" to another. | ||
| ▲ | bethekidyouwant 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |
No reason for “parents” to be tacked on to this at all i reckon. | ||