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| ▲ | varenc 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They make a very fast "AI powered" turret shotgun. It automatically selects, aims, and shoots down targets. I imagine this is great for shooting down swarms of small fiber optic or
autonomous drones impervious to electronic attacks. But automated weapons like this can easily pivot into uses besides anti-drone. Taking humans out of the loop on deadly kinetic weapons is concerning. But personally, I don't really see any other viable defense against small drone swarms. |
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| ▲ | levocardia 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Probably the worry that the jump from "we defend against slaughterbots" to "we built a better slaughterbot" is just around the corner |
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| ▲ | tptacek 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | ... so don't defend against the slaughterbots? (I don't know anything about the company we're discussing here, but this is a weird premise.) | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That means 18 year olds will get splattered. I'm not for that. The kids who die in the military are just kids, regardless of their job. They aren't personally responsible for the shit orders they get. The problem is that anything made for defense is almost inherently useful for offense, and the US is not the most trustworthy government right now. It's, sadly, not inconceivable that an automatic turret mounted shotgun could be put to use against human people across the globe, or even human people who are citizens of the US. | | |
| ▲ | akerl_ 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sorry, so what's your position here? Are you for or against people working on anti-combat-drone technology? The comment you're replying to is pointing out the oddity of being anti-good-thing because somebody might one day invert their company's mission entirely. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I missed the sarcasm in OP's post, I guess. I read it as a flat comment to not have the technology. |
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| ▲ | kranke155 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t understand this whole idea that we are going to not having drone and autonomous weapons. Ukraine is being fought with drones. It’s the first drone war. 300k people have died in the Russian side alone. 1 million casualties. How do you suggest we stop the lessons from the first major drone war from spreading? With hope? Prayers? The terrifying thing about it is - the US is actually already behind on this technology, China can build 1000x more drones than the whole West. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Many civilians have seen how drones were used in Lebanon and Gaza, and hesitate to trust Western leadership with that type of kill chain. It's a borderline certainty that 9 Mothers employees will eventually contribute to the death of an innocent protestor or journalist that opposed the state. | | |
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| ▲ | gmerc 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dude we haven’t even solved human manual slaughter in schools so surely adding auto shotguns to schools is a no brainer after the first incident. Terminal society this is. |
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| ▲ | delbronski 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A company named 9 mothers, which sells a service to stop artificially intelligent machines from falling from sky and blowing up everything… funded by another company that lures smart young men and women with billionaire dreams that wreak havoc on society. Not dystopian at all. |
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| ▲ | ianm218 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean killer drones are absolutely dystopian but they already exist. This critique is like the common Bay Area tactic of pretending homeless don't exist because they are inconvenient. There is tons of offensive capability companies YC has invested in they seem like a more appropriate target. I feel like most people want there to be protection from drone swarms. | | |
| ▲ | delbronski 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, but the whole thing is still dystopian. If there was a company A planting mind controlling chips in your mind, and company B selling a service to destroy those chips… neither company makes the whole thing less dystopian. | | |
| ▲ | ianm218 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | In this situation company B is clearly making the world less dystopian then. But anyway - the parent comment is upset about YC investing in a defense company that isn’t doing offensive systems because they find the idea that dystopian weapon exist at all uncomfortable. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. |
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| ▲ | mediaman 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It sounds like you feel that autonomous killer drones are a dystopia, and that anything related to the drones -- including mitigating their effect -- is therefore dystopian in itself, even if it is combating that dystopia? Sort of a tarring by contextual environment? I suppose by that reasoning a socialist is a capitalist because even though they fight capitalism they live in a capitalist society. I'm not really following. | | |
| ▲ | delbronski 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | “It sounds like you feel that autonomous killer drones are a dystopia, and that anything related to the drones“ Yes!!! What do you think a dystopia is? The entire world of 1984 is a dystopia. Just cause there’s a company making money to “combat” that dystopia doesn’t make the thing any less dystopian. | | |
| ▲ | mediaman 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That sounds like a fallacy of composition to me. That some element of the world is dystopian means the world is therefore dystopian. And if the world is dystopian, then every element of it is dystopian: no element of the world is not dystopian. It's an interesting "poison the well" type of argument, but it also means that if one accepts that all of human history has had dystopian elements (chemical weapons, slavery, feudalism, etc etc), that therefore the world has always been dystopian, and that then therefore everything in the world has also always been dystopian. And you've created a label that includes everything that has ever existed and excludes none of it, which is meaningless. |
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| ▲ | wrqvrwvq 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| out of all the companies listed, yc would of course choose something like this. "wow you're going to defend american soldiers????" yc and this site are chinese ops run by the scummiest sinotrash on earth. steal millions and deliver vaporware? "oh sounds like a failed business". try to protect soldiers from drones? "oh sounds like you're the terminator highly unethical sar." |
