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exabrial 4 hours ago

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do).

I support him even though people can pick him apart.

the_biot 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

antoniojtorres 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have trouble understanding how the opinions of the historical right to repair guy are surprising or even considered drama, it’s not drama because it’s not interpersonal gossip, it’s right to repair activism.

stingraycharles 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah I agree, it’s almost a political drama channel at this point and his opinions lack nuance.

I don’t understand why an article from Tom’s Hardware about an opinion of Louis Rossman who tells a 3D printer maker to go fuck themselves is currently the most upvoted article on HN.

sillysaurusx 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court?

I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that.

You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting his channel. And if his channel wasn’t as political as it is, it’s doubtful he could rally the kind of support we’re seeing here.

stingraycharles 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers.

My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating.

He appeals to a certain audience that likes rage over proper discourse. I am fairly certain the HN etiquette prefers proper discourse over rage.

Forgeties79 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating.

Hand wavy excuse by people who simply don’t agree with a cause and/or think it’s not important, but won’t admit it.

koverstreet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems to me you're style over substance then.

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The comment at the top of this thread was literally defending Rossmann based on his style (passionate, vulnerable) over his substance (factual accuracy)

dns_snek an hour ago | parent [-]

I suggest reading that comment again because it does nothing of the sort.

ryandrake 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I, for one, appreciate communication that has a point of view, one that actually champions an ethical opinion and calls out unethical behavior. I don't think doing this necessarily counts as rage. If I wanted to read a "proper" dry, impartial dissertation on some technology, written by Spock, there are plenty of places online to do this.

quietsegfault 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t need to hire hackers to use my 3d printer. It just works.

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court?

Sure, I’ll pledge $10K to the developer who already declared that he’s not interested in fighting a legal battle for this project. That’s easy.

junaru 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Sure I'll post a snarky comment without getting familiar with the subject whatsoever.

The bounties are real and awarded [1].

[1] https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties?status=closed

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I searched for Bambu and there were 0 results.

Also that site is a disaster of a UI. It reloads on every single character entry while you’re trying to type in the search term.

Also please don’t fake-quote other people with things they didn’t say:

> > Sure I'll post a snarky comment without getting familiar with the subject whatsoever.

It’s even worse when you haven’t become familiar enough with the subject to share a worthwhile link.

james_pm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right up there with the Not Just Bikes guy on YouTube who used to talk about how transit-oriented cities are great or would show some positive stuff from somewhere. Now it's just endless videos about how cars suck, cities suck, even a lot of transit sucks. The constant negativity is such a put-off.

exitb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s like the best you can hope for your small hobby YouTube channel is to graduate to general outrage.

UncleMeat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

All hail the mighty algorithm.

xerox13ster an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

With drive-bys like this is it any suprise he has a negative opinion on cars?

rdedev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With Louis, it's been a journey of "how I learn to stop worrying and enjoy the angry repain guy"

He gets a bunch of things wrong since it's mostly reactionary content but he is willing to correct himself when he gets things wrong.

He does a lot to prevent companies from screwing over customers and that in of itself is good enough that in willing to overlook his flaws

dns_snek an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

90% of his content is about advocating for consumer rights like ownership and repair, most of which is documented and sourced on his wiki [1]. If the only thing you see here is "drama and outrage" then you're not the target audience and you should return to mindless consumption until such a time that you find yourself affected.

[1] https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page

greggsy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

His passion does manifest as drama 90% of the time, but it’s somewhat necessary to build momentum and attention to the causes that he promotes. Also, he has to toe the line of opinion to avoid being slapped with spurious legal challenges.

bear141 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am completely against the outrage and drama cycle of all media. But as a matter of fact, this is clearly what drives views in today’s world so it’s nice when someone consistently getting millions of views at least chooses to support something good once in a while.

I much prefer channels that don’t use this way of gaining views, but they, because of that, don’t gain nearly as many views.

I have no skin in this game, but it’s pretty clear what the majority of viewers want.

Lerc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I often find him a bit much myself, but don't doubt his passion, and even if I did, I would only express that opinion publicly accompanied by supporting evidence, because using phrases like "people fall for his shtick" is essentially implying deliberate fraud, and that doesn't seem to be something you should throw around lightly.

I don't think an opinion becomes more based in reality by sticking the words "As a matter of fact" in front of them.

croes 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So did the situation change to the better?

If not, why should he stop?

shevy-java an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't see it as a problem.

Although I have to say, I think Louis was making better videos when he was in New York. I understand the financial situation where New York really abuses people, but I am just looking at the videos. I can't say whether that decision was what changed, but I noticed that the content changed a lot once he relocated outside of New York.

However had, I disagree with the "drama" comment. I would call it more that the movement became more important, which is fine, in my opinion. Right to repair isn't that different from many other movements where we people try to get more rights back again. See the right to videotape public officials in performing their public jobs and so on. It is all connected.

quietsegfault 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thank you. My Bambu printer works excellently. The previous one I bought years ago is still going strong with a friend now. When parts wear out, I can easily get official, known quality replacements.

I have never had a problem with the software, the outrage is totally manufactured to have something to complain about. Louis was fun to listen to for a while, but his schtick is so tired now.

dns_snek an hour ago | parent [-]

Your off-topic remarks about Bambu printers and their replacement parts tell me that you didn't even take the time to read what this story was about. In the same breath you're accusing Louis of "manufacturing outrage just to have something to complain about" while you're the one doing that.

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Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic)

Saying anything less than glowingly positive about Rossmann is dangerous due to his fan base, but I think this mentality of pre-forgiving his misinformation is not healthy.

Being passionate and putting on a vulnerable schtick shouldn’t excuse someone from misleading their large audience.

Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others. This is an entire YouTube genre. Most of them have the same schtick where they appear to be the most passionate, vulnerable, on-your-side narrator of a story. His schtick is common in the drama YouTuber genre.

You shouldn’t develop such a parasocial relationship with a person that you reflexively defend every topic they engage in. Discuss the topics each on their own factual merits and be prepared to look for second sources. Don’t align yourself with someone because they are passionate and appear “vulnerable”. At the end of the day, you need to remember that putting on this display is how he makes his money. It’s a show.

preuceian 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others.

I dont see how he is “like many others”. A lot of YouTubers cover controversy for controversy sake, or just as material for another sponsored video. He does not do sponsored content, and usually seems to push for something concrete around consumer rights. So I think the comparison to other drama Youtubers is unfair.

In my view, the drama is more a way to draw attention to his activism. He does tend to put his money and time where his mouth is.

But perhaps my view is biased, since I only see the videos the YouTube algorithm suggests to me, and those may be the ones that are more focused on consumer rights than drama. Still, that has consistently been my impression.

starkparker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Favoring emotion over facts while advocating for a cause is still a sugar high of advocacy, regardless of the cause's righteousness. A short burst quickly forgotten, with a chance of discrediting what you're trying to advocate if the facts aren't right.

Even amongst YouTubers, you can favor facts over emotions (without discarding emotion!) and be a more effective advocate who arms others with both motivation and useful, effective knowledge.[1]

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM

preuceian 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Rossmann is still relevant and to my knowledge has not discredited his cause. Your comment about him needing to get his facts right or risking irrelevance is wishful thinking and clearly not reflective of the reality of his impact on Right to Repair legislation (if you are suggesting that he does not get his facts right).

Technology Connections is an educational channel that occasionally offers political commentary. Telling his audience to vote is a call to action, but not the same as organizing. Rossmann is an organizer who engages with policymakers. To treat them as being on the same level is to misunderstand what they are each doing.

isityettime 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't follow Rossman very closely but I am familiar with his grumpy, griping style. To be clear, is the claim here that his advocacy work frequently features factual errors, or just that his presentation is too emotive?

Aside: What does "facts over emotion" mean? Aren't facts and emotions orthogonal?

rpdillon an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This is an uncharitable take. Rossman has actual repair expertise, founded the consumer rights wiki to help organize activists that want to forward right to repair, and attends public meetings to discuss these topics with local governments. His YouTube channel raises awareness, but there's a lot of substance behind the style.

https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page

BoredPositron 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It would help if he wouldn't throw fits like a high schooler in a lot of his videos. For his brand and for the causes he champions. Its almost only drama on his channel now.