| My state has laws specifically about this which help DV victims replace stolen wallets, birth certificates, IDs, and so on. Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. The public has, in general, decided they don't like the alternatives, and I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID. |
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| ▲ | iamnothere 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID. And I would count you among the people who shouldn’t have a say in how these laws affect our right to privacy. | |
| ▲ | tzs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Not in the US. See this thread [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911619 | |
| ▲ | tomrod 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Why? | | |
| ▲ | simoncion 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or maybe US-based authoritarians have successfully used the threat of imaginary "Stranger Danger" to turn the screws tighter for access to some of those things over the past ten, twenty years? I know it's not medical care, internet access, food, clothing, or entertainment because I've changed providers for those fairly recently. | | |
| ▲ | medvidek 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In most of the EU, IDs are issued for free to everyone above age 14/15 (and in many countries you can get one even for a newborn for a small fee). Since everyone has this ID, all banks (nearly?, I haven't seen one that doesn't) require ID card and/or a passport to open an account. For medical care you have a separate card with your compulsory medical insurance information that you present to the doctor but in the worst case they can just look up the info using your ID/passport. | |
| ▲ | jen20 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID. | | |
| ▲ | simoncion 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either. And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure. > How did you rent an apartment without ID? I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago. > ...you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID. I'm pretty sure that all I've ever been asked for is name and SSN. Again, maybe this stuff is new as of the past ten, twenty years. Strong, strong anti-immigrant sentiment has a way of gripping people's hearts and making them do stupid shit. | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe rent from individuals instead of corporate landlords. There’s no law against it. | |
| ▲ | rkomorn 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm pretty sure I've had to show ID going to the doctor's office as well. |
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| ▲ | nullc 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls False choice. It's quite possible that this will not substantially reduce much less eliminate the junk calls. It will substantially reduce my ability to obtain an anonymized number that no one knows about and has any reason to junk call. I don't get any junk calls on my anonymous numbers, if if I did, I'd toss that number and get another and the junk could not follow it unless whomever I was using the number with was the source of the leak and then I'd stop doing business with them in the future. Past privacy violations are what are driving the scam calls, making their be a mandatory loss of privacy at the moment you get the number will not help. |
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