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csallen 3 hours ago

List of things that the public despised when they were new:

- Cars (expensive toys for the rich that endangered normal ppl and spooked horses)

- Recorded music (similar complaints about it not supporting artists)

- Bicycles (commonly called the devil's work)

- Novels (morally dangerous)

- Headphones / Sony Walkman (anti-social)

I remember when chatting online was nerdy, anti-social, and uncool. Now celebrities casually talk about sliding into each other's DMs.

The initial "it's unfashionable" backlash to new, useful, and threatening technology has been so repetitive and predictable throughout history that it's almost passe now. Most people aren't students of history of course, so history will repeat itself.

But that also means the second act will repeat, not just the first act. And the useful technology will almost certainly become fashionable and accepted once it's more commonplace.

happytoexplain 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Please, please stop with the AI analogies. Just make your argument on its own terms.

"It's different from X" is no more meaningful than "it's the same as X".

csallen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It's different from X"

The post doesn't even say "it's different from X". It just says "it's unfashionable," with no comparison or mention of history at all, as if this is the first time a new technology has ever been unfashionable immediately after its release.

> Just make your argument on its own terms.

I feel like my argument is obvious? The "unfashionable" period for useful-but-jarringly-new consumer-facing technology is common, predictable, and short-lived.

add-sub-mul-div 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ironically, nothing makes me question my stance of human supremacy over AI more than the weakness and triteness of human defenses of AI.

Or maybe the defenses are AI generated, who knows.

jejee 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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chroma_zone 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They were right about cars, to be fair

krater23 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Only cars? I would extend the list with bicycles, online chat/dating and at least headphones.

emccue 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Okay but sometimes people despise things and then they go away or get stigma'd into a corner. There is selection bias in that list.

But either way, I'm talking about *the present* which is the time we all live in. Opining that in the future maybe it will be different is like - sure? Not super relevant though.

csallen 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Okay but sometimes people despise things and then they go away or get stigma'd into a corner.

Sure, but has that ever happened to a technology that was useful, convenient, affordable, etc.? Definitely gotta be rare. I think the utility tends to win in the end.

> But either way, I'm talking about *the present* which is the time we all live in.

Yeah that's why I didn't disagree with you. I think you're right about the present. But I wouldn't call my response irrelevant. It's pretty normal in a conversation to carry things forward and respond with your own thoughts.

krater23 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When you ask me, headphones are for much people the sign for beeing antisocial, especially for the people that want to be antisocial. Online chats and online dating are now so much monetized and hyped that I would be happy when we would back to the old times where it was a nerdy thing or when we could remove it from the history completely.

So yes, all things that I accepted first I hate now. The others I was born in, can't tell much about them. Maybe the people are right but accept the shit later.

jejee 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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