| ▲ | tylerchilds 3 hours ago |
| Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't buy that. They could have done more with it despite the constraints. There's been a big lack of interest from Apple for a long time. Just like every few years they introduce a completely new Mac Pro with all the fanfare and then completely lose interest and let it wither and die for 5 years. |
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| ▲ | al_borland 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I usually defend Siri, because I’m perfectly fine trading a little functionality for security. I prefer it that way. |
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| ▲ | stego-tech 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Same. The fact they're shoving AI into it and expanding it to providers who don't have privacy as a guiding principle is a key reason I'm sitting on a 14 Pro still, and why I'm exploring local alternatives with Home Assistant. Besides, we just need to set verbal timers and control music. We don't need a full-blown verbal Oracle. | | |
| ▲ | tyre 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They’re hosting their own Gemini, so they aren’t sacrificing to Google’s standards even if using their technology. | |
| ▲ | kypen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Home Assistant is indeed quite nice and relatively simple to set up with the Docker images provided by the team. Device setup on iOS was a little inconsistent, but has been rock solid for over a year. Check out Homebridge as well. I run both. | |
| ▲ | amazingamazing 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Im curious what the threat model is that you're protecting against | |
| ▲ | linkregister 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | By disabling Apple "Intelligence" you bypass the risk of your prompts going to OpenAI. | | |
| ▲ | Tagbert an hour ago | parent [-] | | What is your concern about prompts to go OpenAI? Apple has a contract with OpenAI that explicitly prevents them from logging, storing, training, or making any use of your prompts other than to satisfy the specific current request. Apple has some good lawyers and I’m sure that the teeth are prominent in that contract. | | |
| ▲ | JimDabell 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not to mention the fact that the default settings are to ask the user before sending anything to ChatGPT, and you can selectively disable just the ChatGPT integration while leaving Apple Intelligence enabled. |
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| ▲ | fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. "You have to unlock your iphone first" is such a hindrance to using Siri for anything more than setting timers and alarms. If you're doing anything that involves gloves or a mask or getting your hands messy, like in a kitchen or something, it is just so frustrating. How about making a toggle so I can choose to be slightly less locked down for Siri, and I take full responsibility if I get hacked because of it. | | |
| ▲ | glenngillen 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Settings > Apple Intelligence & Siri > Allow Siri When Locked | | |
| ▲ | deaddodo 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Keeping in mind that this gives quite a bit of access to your data, depending on how someone wants to structure their query |
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| ▲ | yalok 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| building new features on top of E2EE is genuinely hard, and I've seen many companies struggle to keep innovating while staying strictly E2EE. Having seen multiple leading messaging/VoIP stacks from inside, the amount of engineering spent to work around various limitations of E2EE in real prod scenarios is insane, and even for simple every-day-use features metrics don't compare to the metrics of the same feature running without E2EE. |
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| ▲ | garciasn 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then a more reasonable response is: “we cannot as effectively monetize all of the data in our advertising platform disguised as another tool entirely unless we disable E2EE and we need to be able to allow not only ourselves but others to invade your privacy even more than we already do because it’s technologically difficult to do so when we encrypt your communications.” | | |
| ▲ | yalok an hour ago | parent [-] | | it doesn't necessarily have to be tied to monetization & privacy directly. It may just be that ROI doesn't make sense: very few user out there truly care about (or even understand) E2EE, for quite some users it creates an inconvenience & support incidents (harder to move from device to device, forgot your passphrase - lost your history, new joiners to a group chat don't see previous history, etc), it requires a significant additional engineering effort to just maintain it, many new features get shipped much slower because of it... | | |
| ▲ | mtlmtlmtlmtl an hour ago | parent [-] | | It doesn't have to be, but that's not really an argument for claiming it isn't. Considering how deeply embedded privacy violation is in Meta's corporate DNA, is there any reason other than hilariously naïve and inexplicably charitable, hypothetical speculation to believe this is not motivated by more privacy violation for profit, just like literally every single thing Meta has done in the entire history of the company? No? Didn't think so. |
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| ▲ | nothinkjustai 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however. |
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| ▲ | dwedge 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Android was originally enticing because of iOS locking everything down and controlling the ecosystem | | | |
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| ▲ | computably 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Best" is subjective. But "caring about their users"? Their response to RtR alone shows they care about their margins more than their users. | | |
| ▲ | michaelt 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apple care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of dairy cows. Whereas Microsoft and Google care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of pigs. | | |
| ▲ | iamtedd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can tell you don't actually know what goes on on a dairy farm. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you charitable (like you should be), then a reasonable assumption is that they probably know what happens on a dairy farm, and that's actually their point. | | |
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| ▲ | drfloyd51 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ham and eggs. The chicken is involved. The pig is committed. |
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| ▲ | throw1234567891 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “But I want my freedom, I want to install whatever I want, bad Apple for locking down my devices away from me.” They stay rather secure because of all these measures. But they’ll get dismantled, too. Because idiots push idiots in power to weaken Apple’s stance. Useful idiots is the right term. | | |
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| ▲ | alex1138 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you know what Zuckerberg said in an interview? I think it was to Lex Fridman but I could be wrong "Apple hasn't come up with anything new in 20 years" Very likely in response to Apple's granularity. Poor Zuck can't steal people's credentials |
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| ▲ | thephyber 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m less impressed with Zuck every time I hear something new about him. Apple has made incredible progress in the last 20 years, but almost none of that has been a brand new product. It has all been evolving the existing products and on building the world’s best supply chain and rearing incredible market share from Windows. To be clear, AirPods are a much bigger market than Nike shoes. Those, plus Apple Watch, iPad and Vision Pro are new in the last 20 years. In the past 20 years, the Facebook website has evolved, but all of the other major investments by the company have been acquisitions. Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus. Diem (or whatever that proprietary cryptocurrency was called) and the Metaverse were massive failures. I don’t know what to credit Meta for in the AI era except some of the LLAMA tooling and some open weights LLMs. CZI is doing cool things, but that’s Zuck’s private science company, not part of Meta. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Privacy is the reason I’m still on team Apple. |
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| ▲ | bramhaag 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apple's response to the UK gov asking to see users' iCloud data says enough about where their priorities lie [1]. They do something far worse in China [2]. Don't fool yourself into believing Apple cares about your privacy. They care about money. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/apple-moves-to-st... | | |
| ▲ | transcriptase an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The UK public can still vote for governments that don’t demand backdoors into citizens’ private data. Instead, over the past century they’ve turned their country into an ineffectual nanny state of shrinking global relevance, while a fading aristocratic and old money class desperately cling to influence over a population that no longer cares about the old titles and prestige of having attended some ‘old boys’ boarding school nobody outside of GB has ever heard of. | |
| ▲ | thephyber 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your links say that Apple complies with the laws of major countries. Which companies don’t do that? | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Google of all companies didn't. And we all know how much they care about privacy. | |
| ▲ | bramhaag an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Signal is one example. Their values are simply not compatible with what the Chinese government wants (local data storage, key access, etc.). Instead of complying and putting their users' privacy at risk, they accepted the ban. Google, out of all companies, also decided to partially walk away from the Chinese market in 2010 over censorship concerns [1]. Nobody is forcing Apple to do business in China, or the UK. They actively choose to do so, and because of that also put themselves in a position where they have to comply with these laws, presumably because it makes them more money. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/technology/23google.html |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | They’re very clear about when they use e2e encryption and atleast I know when they don’t. There’s multiple reasons I don’t use iCloud. |
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| ▲ | Handy-Man 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They were kinda forced to in the name of "think of the children". The New Mexico case that's been going on at the moment. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| thats a generous view. The dystopian fascist view is he's aligning with the surveillance state's interests and instagram is seen as a breeding ground for anti-american-american activities. |
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| ▲ | wotsdat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | zer0zzz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People are bozos for wanting more from a glorified egg timer. I like Siri myself. |