Given the way Google is going I'm not sure if my next phone will be Android. I am fully aware that I am probably in the minority here. For me the trust is entirely gone.

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fluidcruft 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There really isn't much of an option. Apple's just as bad if not worse.

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LeoPanthera 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Apple's just as bad if not worse.

Could you justify that? Because to me it seems like Apple isn't doing anything even like this.

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queenkjuul 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least with an Android i have the option of Graphene, and have access to a terminal, and for now can sideload apps.

With apple there's no choices, so I'll continue to take my chances with Android

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fluidcruft 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Possibly... but the extension of this to Android and Apple is going to be the entire internet shuts you out. And everything else will be a giant Dead Internet crawling with bots.

	▲	tardedmeme 44 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The sites that require you to log in are precisely the same ones that are crawling with bots. The personal internet or "small web" is, and still will be, full of real content. There are also lots of bot websites that are trying to be small web, but since it's an actual social network and not a giant pool everyone pours stuff into, they don't get traction. If you do find a website that seems to be human but links to a thousand AIslop sites, you'll stop following that guy's links.

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lxgr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can Graphene OS pass this kind of Google attestation challenge, though?

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chadgpt2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Both are terrible for privacy so it comes down to which one has a nicer screen now. :(

I'd rather have Google check an Apple phone attestation than have Google check a Google phone attestation, and vice versa, though, because you can assume each company is trying to keep as much information private to themselves instead of giving it to the other. Google is probably just getting "yes it's an Apple phone" and some kind of temporary token, instead of my IMEI, IMSI, phone number, all signed in accounts, biometrics and so on.

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drpixie an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm inclined towards keeping an ancient android for those apps that require it, and maybe something open for actual use. Or perhaps a crappy old android for android and a small non-android tablet/laptop for daily-driver stuff, which always works better as a computer anyway!

I'm also becoming open to using software that lies to google about what it is :) Google will treat us like sh*t, why shouldn't we reciprocate.

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cyklosarin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Motorola + GrapheneOS next year could be an alternative. So far they've been relatively insulated from the changes that have been coming down from Google.

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ryukoposting an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You won't be alone. I've resolved that this will be my last Googled phone.

My dad runs the family domain/emails/etc. The hard part will be convincing him to degoogle the whole family.

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drnick1 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Android yes, but Graphene is the answer.