I disagree that this kind of scheme is inevitable. We can "evit" it through thoughtful discussion, foresight, alternative mitigations, and even regulation. Certainly, Google can choose to avoid it. On the other hand, the AI bubble will inevitably burst, since compute is not free. I look forward to post-bubble AI.

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layer8 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“Evit” is “avoid” in English, they have the same root.

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sofixa 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We can "evit" it through thoughtful discussion, foresight, alternative mitigations, and even regulation

Such as? I don't see how regulation would apply here without concrete technical solutions that enforce it. So what alternative mitigations do you have in mind?

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JoshTriplett 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Among many other things: Regulate the use of AI to imitate or impersonate human activity. Regulate AI crawling/scraping. Ban scraping entirely, and all models based on it. Regulate maximum model size.

These wouldn't eliminate the problem, but they'd change it from "many people do this" to "this is always a malicious attack, react accordingly".

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sofixa an hour ago | parent | next [-]

None of those would work without enforcement. Scams are banned, but that doesn't stop Chinese mafia from operating prison camps that run scams scamming people all around the world.

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warkdarrior 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

None of these proposals are enforceable in any meaningful way.

	▲	JoshTriplett 23 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Sure they are. They affect the actions of many companies that today think what they're doing is okay (or at least not illegal). Don't underestimate the value of substantially reducing a harm, even if it isn't eliminated entirely. And don't underestimate the value of making it easier to address the remainder by ensuring it's 100% illegitimate. Regulate it today, and tomorrow, corporate legal departments will be very carefully training their employees to understand that it's illegal and they should never do it. Currently, some countries have laws saying that you're not allowed to pay bribes, including foreign bribes. Consider how widespread that practice was when it was outlawed. Imagine if, instead of regulating it, those countries had said "oh, that's not enforceable and too many people are already doing it and it would affect existing business practices...". Instead, today, corporate legal departments will ensure that employees are trained to know they can never do that and they should report any attempts to solicit bribes.

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