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lo_zamoyski 3 hours ago

Indeed. The self-congratulatory narrative around "EU funds" is obnoxious and ignorant. As you say, Poland's economic growth was similar before it had joined the EU. (Many economists then thought Poland's accession in 2004 was premature and should have been postponed.) Causes were cultural (there is a strong, traditional entrepreneurial streak in Polish culture) and related to the economic reforms undertaken during the transition from the centrally-planned economy of the socialist period. People need to remember that Poles did not choose the communist regime after the War. It was thuggishly and violently imposed onto Poland by the occupying Soviets. Poles merely endured a provisional acceptance of the regime, because they had no choice.

Furthermore, as the GP hints, EU funds earmarked for Poland don't necessarily remain in Poland as investment. Much of that money circulates back into the pockets of contributing countries. You have to look at the entire paper trail to understand where money is actually ending up.

Also worth noting: Poland didn't receive a dime of reparations after the War. Germany (and with later contribution by the Soviets) had unleashed such mind-boggling destruction on Polish cities, towns, cultural inheritance, industry, etc. that only the so-called Swedish Deluge matches or exceeds this devastation.

The EU presents certain clear economic benefits for member countries. Nobody disputes that. But the patronizing and paternalistic narrative of some countries - reminiscent of their goofy rationalizations for their occupation of that region during the 19th century - need to go away.

ElevenLathe 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can't agree more. Given its geography and population, one would expect Poland to be a major economy, but it's been occupied or even completely erased from existence for large stretches of industrial modernity. The period since 1989 is the longest stretch of true sovereignty that Poland has had since the 18th century.

The fucking krauts (both the German/Prussian and the Austrian/Hapsburg varieties) can and should toss them a few złoty for economic development as recompense for the horrific treatment they've dealt Poland over the centuries. It would be nice if the Russians would too, but that's not the reality we currently live in.

4ashJu 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really, the old smaller European Community should be restored and Poland can become the 51st US state for buffer purposes.

Times were much better.

ElevenLathe 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

"Not really" what?

mamonster 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Also worth noting: Poland didn't receive a dime of reparations after the War.

Poland received virtually all of the lands that were considered Prussia though.

lo_zamoyski 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you peer into the (un-tendentious) history of much of those lands, you might take a slightly different view of them... But perhaps more to the point, Poland lost nearly half of its prewar territory, east of the Curzon line. Poland is territorially smaller today than it was before WWII.

4ashJu 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed it received Pomerania and the industrial center Silesia. Russia got East Prussia.

Probably worth more than the EUR 1 trillion fantasy figure that Polish right wingers demand.

inglor_cz an hour ago | parent [-]

It also "received" several million of its own people killed, including the highly educated Jewish community. While we are crunching numbers, let us not forget that loss of human capital matters in economy as well.