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dotancohen 4 hours ago

  > setting this up is well beyond the capabilities of most students.
Setting up custom email filters is beyond the capabilities of most students? What are they learning? Where will they be qualified to work?
weird-eye-issue 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most graduates aren't really qualified to work anywhere that they couldn't have worked before going to college in the first place.

smcin 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You mean graduates of US colleges? Not colleges in general. Or non-technical graduates of US colleges?

metaengies 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Where will they be qualified to work?

Going by a certain story 2 years ago, their concern should be that they're overqualified for Meta.

It doesn't help that gmail, which is the only serious direct competition to outlook, straight up doesn't do "folders" and instead goes with markers. So you can't really just put a filter that drags all the 100 low-priority alerts in what would count as a first degree abstraction of "place where things are sorted into". No, there are two layers of abstraction between point A and B of things, sorter and sorted things. The result? Muggles can't recognize the heck you're describing and refuse to even acknowledge the possibility.

user_7832 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> It doesn't help that gmail, which is the only serious direct competition to outlook, straight up doesn't do "folders" and instead goes with markers.

While true, unless I'm mistaken, markers (I assume you're referring to tags) can be nested to provide a pseudo-folder hierarchy, and with proper filters you can remove the "inbox" tag and have the mail only show up under the specific tag.

TBH I don't fully mind it, it lets you classify an email in multiple ways (eg "See Later" as well as "Work related").

GTP an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I partially solve this by using Thunderbird on my laptop. When I get emails on my smartphone (on the Gmail app), they unfortunately all go to the inbox. But the moment I open Thunderbird, it nicely organizes them for me.

dotancohen an hour ago | parent [-]

I use Thunderbird on both the desktop and Android. Love it.

Perhaps Outlook is difficult to configure. Thunderbird is intuitive.

teiferer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If a CS graduate can't figure out some simple gmail labels and filters then they should not be awarded that degree. Plain and simple. It's not rocket science.

Poacher5 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And there are no other students at any college other than CS students? I'm not sure why a biologist or a literature student would need to be au fait with Google's admittedly fairly unfriendly email management setup.

denkmoon 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

Digital literacy is important to every field. Email filters are not some arcane computer science concept, they are the modern equivalent of filing physical mail into the right folder/pidgeon hole/inbox/whatever.

Biology is a great example because of just how important digital record management is to experimentation in the field.

fooker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have been using email for as long as email was a thing and I still managed to blackhole important emails with filters not too long ago.

setopt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my experience, it’s hard enough to make students check their school email in the first place. Let alone filter it.

gucci-on-fleek 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd hope/assume that any Computer Science students would be able to do this, but most Biology/Education/English/Art students probably couldn't.

I mean, anyone smart enough to attend university could probably figure it out if they really wanted to, but there are hundreds of other useful things that they could learn too. There are only so many hours in the day, and given that most students don't get that many emails, I can hardly blame them for not wanting to prioritize learning how to filter emails.

(I personally have over a hundred lines of Sieve filters, but I'm definitely not a typical student)

throawayonthe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's MS software, i think it's inanely difficult

shakna 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most managers I've met, struggle with setting up email filters, and have to ask tech support to do it for them. These students will be qualified just fine.

emodendroket 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people who have office jobs don't know how to do this either

Scroll_Swe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Setting up custom email filters is beyond the capabilities of most students?

Yes. And most of the general population. They can do it once they know it exists, most people just are not aware it is a thing at all.

>What are they learning?

Here, their "major" as you say in the US. Someone in econ, biology or even CS is not going to learn Outlook rules. Maybe IT or business will have a sentence on it.

>Where will they be qualified to work?

Any office job. Any job really.

mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> What are they learning?

Exactly what is in their field of study, nothing more. That's a huge part of the problems created by treating academia as a degree mill mandatory to get a job able to feed yourself instead of a place only for those truly interested in actually studying a subject.