beat the violence out of them, that'll show em?

I find the evolution of §1631 of the German civic code interesting from 1900 to the early 2000s it slowly moved from "the father has the right to chastise the children" to "the parents have the right and obligation to bring up their children. humiliation is no appropriate means for upbringing."

so no form of violence, psychological and physical, that goes beyond merely protecting the child or it's environment from harm, is appropriate. any such acts that are covered elsewhere in the code actually turn violent into a felony: insult, beating, locking in the room, even grounding? that's not how you turn a young human into a decent adult.

the turning point btw was Astrid Lindgren of Pipi Longstockings fame, and her acceptance speech "Never Violence!" for the Peace Prize of the German Book Trade, a prestigious event with high reach in politics and intellectual elites. The speech was rocking the boat, indeed, she was asked to only hand out the prints and not actually give the speech, to not spill the event. Yet she insisted...

Never Violence! - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Violence!

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alephnerd 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> beat the violence out of them, that'll show em?

It does in Singapore - a province and later country that was historically rife with civil, religious, ethnic, and political instability.

Westerners may not like it, but there's a reason LKY elucidated on "Asian Values" [0]. What do you care anyhow - it's not like you'd be given PR let alone citizenship.

[0] - https://time.com/archive/6732416/in-defense-of-asian-values-...

	▲	decimalenough 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Singapore "rife with political instability"? We're talking about the same country that has been ruled uninterrupted since 1968 by same party, which has also retained an absolute supermajority in Parliament during that entire time, right? The party line is that Singapore was a miserable fishing village before LKY & the PAP stepped into rescue it, and LKY doubled down on "Asian Values" to justify his iron-fisted rule: better not take any chances with that dangerous democracy! But in fact pre-WW2 Singapore under British rule was already a prosperous, advanced trading metropolis and widely considered the second wealthiest city in Asia after Shanghai.
	▲	froh 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Singapore signed the UN CRC Convention on the rights of the Child So Singapore committed to protect children from violence https://www.unicef.org.uk/what-we-do/un-convention-child-rig... And it seems Singapore (like some other countries) struggles to figure what that actually means, come to think about it.