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matthewfcarlson 10 hours ago

I remember circa 2010 a friend of mine at college was like “blackboard sucks, let’s build something new”. At the time I poo pood the idea and lo and behold canvas came out a year later. Outside looking in, they been crushing it.

HPMOR 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One of my mentors created Blackboard. It used to be very very good, but he sold it to private equity, and they immediately fired all of the customer support and developers, 3xd prices overnight leading to the 'blackboard sucks' problem. This gave the opening for Canvas to eventually come on to the scene and dominate.

corvad 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I believe Canvas was also sold to private equity pretty recently too. https://www.instructure.com/press-release/instructure-to-be-...

whoahwio 7 hours ago | parent [-]

canvas was bought by PE for the first time in 2020 https://www.thomabravo.com/portfolio/instructure

rolandog 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My wife and I each have to use it as we're both following an online master's at the same university... it's definitely gone downhill (compared to the days where I originally used it ~20 yrs ago in college; tracker-riddled, slow); surprisingly, a recent change made it so that you can only attend online lessons in Chrome (haven't had time to see if this is just a user-agent thing).

redwood 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

..and be acquired by PE so the cycle can continue.. https://www.instructure.com/press-release/instructure-to-be-... sigh. Barbarians at the gate probably didn't double down on security

moduspol 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I worked in a college IT department around that time and the common belief was that all LMSes suck. There are just too many different ways that too many different people want to do things that it's just bound to be hated. Kind of like Jira / Asana for software dev project management.

SamuelAdams 8 hours ago | parent [-]

LMS’s are a lot like programming languages. There’s the ones people complain about and the ones no one uses.

asdff 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used both and could not tell you the major differences. I feel like they are equivalent in the bread and butter features. Most people don't use 99% of the functions they bake into these. Just use it to hold the syllabus, maybe hold the slides, submit assignments, and spreadsheet for grades. All stuff you can do with email + spreadsheet already. Maybe throw in a shared drive for larger files, which every university in the country already pays for.

quadrature 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Equivocal describes something ambiguous, uncertain, or open to multiple interpretations, often used to intentionally mislead or evade."

do you mean equivalent ?.

asdff 9 hours ago | parent [-]

yes

vlunkr 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Blackboard got a lot better in response to the flood of customers heading to canvas.

kayyyy 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone who has used both as a student and a TA I find blackboard miles better, much easier to find what i'm looking for and my professors seem to have better luck laying out their course on blackboard than canvas.

breakingstuff 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I actually disagree, based on my time using Blackboard as an admin, student, and teacher. Although my experience is a few years out of date, I found the interface cumbersome and the performance slow.

russfink 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It depends on what vintage of Blackboard your IT team has installed. We moved from a circa 2011 BB instance to Canvas in 2022, and it was hands down superior. A different university is running the most recent BB and it’s similar to Canvas.

JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> circa 2010

Instructure, "the developer and publisher of Canvas," was founded in 2008 [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructure

jer0me 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That sounds like “circa 2010” to me. And Canvas was launched in 2011, according to the article you linked.

ramon156 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How does canvas compare to Brightspace?

smurda 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Blackboard, the Canvas predecessor, was so unstable that we called it BlackOutBoard

brandonmenc 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe schools should be self-hosting something like Sakai instead.

forgetfreeman 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are definitely crushing it on sales. The actual product is a radioactive dumpster fire that is simultaneously hostile to students, teachers, and parents.

dghlsakjg 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah but the customer is the administrators who never have to make contact with the real world